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Young Adults Call L.I. a Fine Place to Grow Up, and Leave
New York Slimes ^ | 2.21.2004 | Patrick Healy

Posted on 02/21/2004 12:01:46 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick

UNIONDALE, N.Y., Feb. 19 - One by one, the children of suburbia are leaving Long Island.

There is the 24-year-old graduate student who moved to Washington State to study anthropology and found that it was cheaper to live in Seattle than Hempstead. There is the sheriff's investigator, Timothy Ortwein, who left and bought his first house, in West Virginia, at age 23. And there is Emil Soskin, 24, a third-year law student who is fed up with strip malls and subdivisions and longs for an apartment in Greenwich Village.

New York's suburbs have long struggled to hold on to young adults, but county officials and demographers say the problem is becoming a crisis. In Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester Counties, 18- to 34-year-olds are leaving the suburbs at some of the fastest rates in the nation, moving upstate, to the South and the West and into New York City.

Long Island, whose Levittown developments are shorthand for postwar suburbia, is a petri dish for the problem, development experts say. The young families and just-marrieds who once flocked here now balk at the soaring housing prices, high taxes and monochrome of suburban life.

"What is the incentive to stay on Long Island?" asked Ilyssa Lindner, a 23-year-old nursing student who lives in Oceanside. "The cost of living out here is absolutely outrageous. You graduate, you're making good money, and you can't afford anything. It's driving younger people off Long Island."

In the past decade, the number of Long Islanders between 18 and 34 years old has dropped 20 percent, a rate five times the national average, according to a recent survey of Long Island's population and economy. New York's northern suburbs saw an 18 percent drop in the same population over that time.

The pattern is gradually reshaping the suburbs, on Long Island in particular, said Carrie Meek Gallagher, who directed the survey, the Long Island Index 2004. As the average age creeps up and birth rates fall, county officials worry that an absence of young workers will cripple the suburbs' growth and economies.

"You're losing the talent; you're going to start losing businesses," Ms. Gallagher said. "It could change the whole face of the island, the whole face of the place in the next 10 years."

Some county experts said they have started to notice ripples of that change. Some companies bus in employees from Brooklyn and Queens, while other major Long Island businesses like Grumman or Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory are struggling to attract talented young engineers, Ms. Gallagher said.

To stem the exodus, county officials said, they have to make Long Island both enticing and affordable - both difficult tasks. The Nassau county executive, Thomas R. Suozzi, said building denser developments and moderately priced housing in downtowns, poorer neighborhoods and old brownfield industrial sites is crucial to keeping younger people on Long Island.

"If we're going to grow, we're going to have to change our rules from when they were set up, in the 40's and 50's," Mr. Suozzi said.

For countless people, the cycle of suburbia has been a predictable loop: Grow up, gripe that there is nothing to do, attend college, move to the city, then move back home to raise a family and skate toward middle age. But conversations this week with a dozen young Long Islanders who have left - or want to - suggest that they have little interest in returning.

Mr. Ortwein, 24, the sheriff's investigator, is one of them. After growing up in Malverne and graduating from Elmira College with a degree in criminal justice, Mr. Ortwein tried to find a job as a police officer so that he could afford to buy a house in Nassau County, where the median home price is $405,000.

Instead of renting, he got a job with a sheriff's department in Virginia, and he and his wife bought a three-bedroom log cabin nearby, in Jefferson County, W.Va. His property taxes are $600 per year, compared with Long Islanders's taxes that average $3,000 to $4,000.

"I'm the only kid from our high school class who's actually been able to afford a house," Mr. Ortwein said. "We had to give up Long Island to be able to afford something. We're going to stay. The schools are great down here, and it's a great place to raise kids."

According to the Long Island survey, 53 percent of young adults in Nassau and Suffolk Counties are thinking of moving away, while only one-third of people in their 20's and 30's in the northern suburbs and New Jersey said they were considering leaving.

In the survey and interviews, those who want to go say that the cost of living and taxes are too high, that housing is scarce and overpriced, and that the available jobs do not pay enough to support living in the suburbs. Many said they need a car to get around, but do not want to pay high insurance costs and $1.80 for a gallon of gas.

"The average person 18 to 34 can't afford to live on Long Island," said Jon Teaford, a professor at Purdue University who studies suburban development.

The exodus happens in drips and spurts. Some go away to college and never return, while others go back to live with families in the suburbs after graduating, either to apply to graduate schools, plot their next move or save money on rent while they work.

In the upper-income Suffolk County hamlet of Dix Hills, Shelby Tancer, 25, lives with his parents and commutes to Ozone Park, Queens, to teach first grade.

His friends from high school have all moved, but Mr. Tancer said he hopes to stay."I thought more people would be around," he said, talking at his parents' home. "The money and the costs are just crazy. You can't be fresh-faced out of college and buy a house or rent a condo. It's tough. It's tough to stay around here."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: lawnguyland; longisland; suburbia
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1 posted on 02/21/2004 12:01:47 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Clemenza; cyborg
Lawnguyland *ping*
2 posted on 02/21/2004 12:02:37 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: NYC GOP Chick

3 posted on 02/21/2004 12:09:22 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Count me as one...raised in valley Stream and moved on.
There is life after New York.
4 posted on 02/21/2004 12:10:30 PM PST by dinok
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I didn't know anywhere in New York was a good place to live. :) Ha!
5 posted on 02/21/2004 12:10:41 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Young Adults Call L.I. a Fine Place to Grow Up, and Leave

Sounds like the town I grew up in, except for it being a fine place to grow up.

6 posted on 02/21/2004 12:12:02 PM PST by Cathryn Crawford (¿Podemos ahora sonreír?)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
"The cost of living out here is absolutely outrageous."

Enough people leave and the cost of living will go down. Problem solved. In 10 years they'll be writing about how people are returning to L.I.
7 posted on 02/21/2004 12:14:57 PM PST by raloxk
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To: NYC GOP Chick
The young families and just-marrieds who once flocked here now balk at the soaring housing prices, high taxes and monochrome of suburban life.

Monochrome of suburban life? Yeah, right. I'm sure worrying about that keeps young American families up at night!

8 posted on 02/21/2004 12:17:51 PM PST by 537 Votes (I'm logical, rational, and informed -- and I vote!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
From what I can see, this story is mirrored all over New York State, except for NYC.

Schenectady, for instance, looks like a ghost town, and Syracuse, I believe, will be hard pressed to keep its population and energy, as jobs leave for states with lower costs.

A shame, as New York is a beautiful state, with nice people in it, for the most part.
9 posted on 02/21/2004 12:25:43 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
As a native Long Islander (who left in the mid-1960's and never returned) I can sympathize with young adult's frustration over the cost of living there - but any suburb of a major metropolitan area will be expensive. If you want to enjoy the job opportunities and social benefits of a major city there is always a price to pay. If you don't need or want that, semi-rural areas still exist where prices ar low for almost everything but jobs can be scarce and entertainment outlets limited. We all have to make our choices.
10 posted on 02/21/2004 12:28:19 PM PST by Jim Scott (Rugged individualist in the Constitution State)
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To: Sam Cree
Schenectady is ghetto :)
11 posted on 02/21/2004 12:29:30 PM PST by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: writer33
My sister grew up and went east... Far East that is. Long Island isn't that great. It's boring with middle class people who basically live to work and support the bloated bureaucracy that is Nassau County.
12 posted on 02/21/2004 12:32:24 PM PST by cyborg
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To: NYC GOP Chick
thanks for the ping... One word to sum up Long Island... boring.
13 posted on 02/21/2004 12:33:33 PM PST by cyborg
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To: dinok
Me too - ex-Baldwin resident here. Went to college in Vermont and never went back. My folks still live there, but there's no way I could. Too expensive, too crowded, not enough open space. I get real claustrophobic when I go back to visit.

Now I live across the street from a 200 acre dairy farm. Quite a change.

LQ
14 posted on 02/21/2004 12:36:08 PM PST by LizardQueen
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To: LizardQueen
I remember my teen years fondly, but I could not afford it either. With my family having moved out, I never go back.

All I have left is the Long Island accent.
15 posted on 02/21/2004 12:42:19 PM PST by dinok
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Well, I don't know . . . out here, they're still building . . .

Not in a big way, of course--but they are building.

16 posted on 02/21/2004 12:48:05 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I grew up in Hyde Park, 100 mi. north of NYC, bought a house in Orange County in '84... got fed up with commuting to Westchester County, Mario Cuomo's taxes. Sold the house in '88 when IBM was hiring again. My profit on the house was more than I paid for it.

Moved to Georgia 15 1/2 yrs. ago... still paying 1/4 of the taxes compared to NY.

I get disgusted seeing the area when I visit relatives. Traffic, litter, poorly maintained roads...ugh.

17 posted on 02/21/2004 12:49:46 PM PST by AJ504 (...part of the VRWC taking over GA!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Sounds familiar. All but two of the core cities in Michigan(most of which industry towns) are dropping population fast. Crime is a big reason is some of them. Jobs, costs, and taxes are another, but one joke often heard is "(insert city) is a great place to be FROM". Usually a reference to "boring".
18 posted on 02/21/2004 12:53:59 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: BrooklynGOP
I like upstate NY, though.
19 posted on 02/21/2004 12:58:56 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: dinok
I only miss it sometimes - mostly the food (pizza, potato salad, and corned beef sandwiches are just not the same anywhere else). I didn't get much of the accent - neither of my parents had a strong one. It comes out every once in awhile and then my coworkers tease me about it.

My father grew up in Valley Stream. My grandmother was from there, too. Her parents had a big vegetable farm there that was eventually sold off piece by piece for taxes after my great-grandfather died. The land where it was is now under the Green Acres shopping center.

LQ

20 posted on 02/21/2004 1:02:25 PM PST by LizardQueen
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