Hallucinogen May Cure Drug Addiction

BAY AREA (KRON) ^ | February 20, 2004 | NA

[ikka]

You have a background in organic chemistry?

I don't either, .... but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Destro]

I take no drugs and drink little - saying so before I post the next item.

[Destro]

web of a drug-free spider

web of a spider on caffeine

web of a spider on LSD

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Web #2 looks like it was spun by a spider in a hurry. LOL!!!

[He Rides A White Horse]

....maybe I'm drinking too much coffee.

[Destro]

Results of NASA experiments with Spiders and Drugs

The normal web of a spider.

Web created while exposed to Mescaline/Peyote.

Web created exposed to LSD.

Web created while exposed to Marijuana.

Web created exposed to Caffeine.

Web created exposed to Benzedrine/Speed.

Web created exposed to Chloral Hydrat. An ingredient found in sleeping pills.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

It doesn't come from a modern laboratory, but from an ancient plant.

This alone will be reason enough for the gubmint to ban it or attempt to control it. Just like hemp was banned years ago because its cultivation and use as replacement for many synthetically produced products would have upset the apple cart and cut into the profits of a number of industrialists.

But that's just my cynical/paranoid opinion....

What's that noise? Is that a black helicopter coming?

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Interesting stuff. Seems to me that, over a long time, nature has evolved creatures that steered clear of these substances (e.g. if they had, tehy would have been eliminated from the gene pool over time). Modern homo sapiens have the capacity to reject the past and pursue these substances again. IMO, in the end, natural selection will prevail, as usual. :O)

[Righty1]

I on the other hand, stayed at a Holiday Inn.

[norraad]

So true, not to mention the many benefits of hemp seed oil(perfect amino acid profile for human nutrition).

Greater per acre value to mankind doesn't exist.

But then ADM would cry and we wouldn't want that, would we?

ADM's corn whore mongering must continue at all costs.

[LadyDoc]

This is a new variation of an old lie.

Back in the 1960s and 1970's, they tried LSD to "cure" heroin addiction... didn't work. But it led to a bunch of crazy organizations that claimed to cure addiction but which degenerated into cults or worse.

This "cure" was originally associated with a pagan ritual.

Rituals do cure heroin addiction, but this type of thing done in a different culture is dangerous (not just on a christian or spiritual plane, but because the self appointed guru doing the ritual is not under the limitations of that society's traditions, and therefore has no limits to prevent abuse.)

You want to be cured? get your assembly of God pastor to have a prayer group pray over you...forget this stuff.

Scientifically it is merely a new version of an old error...spritually it is dangerous to your soul.

[neverdem]

The article is remarkable in its claim to eliminate the effects of physical withdrawal in relatively few hours replacing an agony that normally takes at least a few days. The wretched misery of physical withdrawal is such that unless it is done in a coercive environment, the addicts will give up, continuing the addiction.

That's the main reason I posted the article. I don't know if you went through this whole thread, but with the sexual spread of AIDS by intravenous drug users I thought it deserved some further interest.

The psychological dependence takes will power at a minimum and usually a lot of ancillary support including submission to a euphemistically described "higher power".

[HiTech RedNeck]

However, IBO also produced neurodegeneration of Purkinje cells and gliosis of Bergmann astrocytes in the cerebella of rats given even a single dose (100 mg/kg, i.p.).

That would be a lot of ibogaine if scaled up to the size of a man -- 10 grams or more.

[neverdem]

That would be a lot of ibogaine if scaled up to the size of a man -- 10 grams or more.

True for a man at least weighing more than 220.0 pounds. The proverbial average "person" is 70 kilograms, i.e. 154 lb IIRC, although that was before the epidemic of obesity.

[neverdem]

Pardon my error, that's 220.4 lb, IIRC.

[LadyDoc]

physical withdrawal in opiates takes a few days...physically it takes a few days. So if they claim "no withdrawal" they are lying: it is physiologically impossible.

But physical withdrawal is not a major problem: We use clonidine and slow withdrawal with methadone or other medications. Indeed, for cancer patients on high dose narcotics, the withdrawal may never occur. You get rid of the pain, slowly stop the medication, and voila, a clean patient.

Street heroin is lower in dose of what we give cancer patients--I've had cancer patients on 300 mg of morphine IV per hour (30 mg would kill you).

So is the "lack of withdrawal" because they don't really withdraw, or because of this drug?

The problem with heroin addiction is NOT withdrawal. It is the temptation to reuse drugs to get high...

[HangThemHigh]

Wonder if this stuff works on tobacco/nicotine? IF it could get approved (not likely) a cure for alcohol and tobacco addiction would have a huge market and the potential for profits would be substantial.

[Joe Bonforte]

45Auto:

Oh, not the old Ibogaine con game again!

LadyDoc:

This is a new variation of an old lie.

I'd say there's a greater than 90% probability that you two are correct and that this stuff would not pan out - that either the results are exaggerated, or that there are side effects that would be unacceptable, or both.

But, I have two questions for both of you:

1. Do you favor at least finding out what the effects of ibogaine on addiction are? (In humans that is - the previous research cited by 45Auto was all on rats.)

After all, since it's never been tried on people except for this rather sensationalized incident reported in the article, it's at least remotely possible that in the right dosage, it could be an effective tool for treating addiction. So, in the interest of finding a way to deal with addition, you would be in favor of further research, right? Or if not, why not?

2. Let's just suppose that this stuff does pan out, and is effective in treating addiction, with side effects that were either minor or controllable. Would you have any object to its usage to treat addition, even though it would be a "short-cut" over full scale withdrawal? Or would you prefer for people to endure regular withdrawal?

I'm guessing from your other posts that the two of you would give completely different answers to these questions.

[norraad]

It is curious how ravenous reaction leaps out against non-mafia (FDA) owned corpo cures.

The melotonin angle is interesting, nothing like a good nights sleep, n'est pas?

[nmh]

I was hooked," she says.

That about sums it up. Hooked on a hallucinative drug. That's not something to get excited over. What they should be doing is finding out what is troubling the soul of the addict. When they over come that, they won't be addicted to any drug.