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Dell asks PC buyers nuclear questions
cnet ^ | 2/20/04

Posted on 02/20/2004 3:44:15 PM PST by knak

Dell is taking extra measures on its Web site to ensure that its customers are not developing weapons of mass destruction.

The computer maker has hit upon a direct way of ensuring customers are not planning to use hardware bought from its e-commerce sites for nefarious purposes: it simply asks them.

As part of the export compliance process on Dell's U.S. and U.K. Web sites, it asks the buyer some questions: Who will be the product's end user? What is the intended use? And it asks whether the products will be exported (and if so, to what countries), and whether the products will "be used in connection with weapons of mass destruction, i.e. nuclear applications, missile technology, or chemical or biological weapons purposes."

A Dell representative said the questions were a routine part of the sale process, and were required by any U.S. corporation to comply with export regulations. Companies are not allowed to sell products destined for countries that face export restrictions. Dell says it will not process an order that "specifies an address of a freight forwarder, warehouse, distribution center, airport or hotel".

Other computer makers generally make do by referring buyers to a "terms of sale" page, with terms such as "you agree to comply with all export laws".

Dell's terms of sale on its U.K. site are more specific. The company reminds buyers that the product may not be sold to countries with export restrictions or to "a user involved in weapons of mass destruction or genocide without the prior consent of the U.S. or competent E.U. government".

On the company's U.S. site, the company further defines "weapons of mass destruction" as "without limitation, activities related to the design, development, production or use of nuclear weapons, materials, or facilities, missiles or the support of missile projects, and chemical or biological weapons".

Dell is also careful to shield itself from liability in cases where its products are used in a "high-risk activity," including "the operation of nuclear facilities, aircraft navigation or communications systems, air traffic control, medical systems, life support or weapons systems." Dell said its telephone-sales operators are not required to query customers on the intended use of their products.

The "terms of use" on the e-commerce sites of other computer makers, such as Hewlett-Packard and IBM, omit references to weapons of mass destruction, but Sun Microsystems does remind users of its site that, by law, its products may not be used to "design, develop or produce missile, chemical/biological, or nuclear weaponry".

Dell, which sells direct only, is the No. 2 PC maker worldwide and is looking to rapidly increase its sales outside the United States and Europe, and has said it sees particular market-share potential in China.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Dell: Are you going to use this to make WMD's"?

Terrorist: Umm, no.

Dell: Well ok then, have a nice day?

1 posted on 02/20/2004 3:44:15 PM PST by knak
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To: knak
Did you pack your own suitcase?

Are there weapons in your suitcase?

Are you planning on hijacking this flight?
2 posted on 02/20/2004 3:46:27 PM PST by Crazieman
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To: knak
Yeah, that would look bad on thei bottom line.

"Dude, I got a Dell...TO BLOW UP THE INFIDELS!!!"

3 posted on 02/20/2004 3:47:28 PM PST by Skwidd
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To: knak
Look at it this way. If Dell's policy discourages just one terrorist from using their computer to design a nuclear device it serves its purpose. < /sarcasm >

And they (Dell) will feel so good about themselves.

4 posted on 02/20/2004 3:50:06 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: knak
Yes, I think Dell's "policy" was designed by its lawyers as part of a lawsuit-avoidance strategy. So that survivors of a future terrorist-detonated nuclear device will have a little less legal standing to sue Dell for furnishing the computers that designed the device.
5 posted on 02/20/2004 3:51:55 PM PST by Poundstone
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To: knak
No one should be allowed to purchase a PC without an FBI backgound check.
6 posted on 02/20/2004 3:55:30 PM PST by templar
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To: knak
At least they finally learned the distinction between people involved in developing WMD's and gun store owners.

Free Republic Thread: Dell Cancels Gun Business Owners Order

And for doubters, Snopes verification of story

7 posted on 02/20/2004 3:56:34 PM PST by Fixit
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To: Poundstone
a little less legal standing to sue Dell for furnishing the computers

As if there aren't already 50 zillion PCs in the world.

MIT could ask its graduates, before handing them their diplomas: do you intend to use your new-certified brains only for the good of mankind?

8 posted on 02/20/2004 3:59:35 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: knak
Frankly, I'm not surprised that Tom Green didn't move on this sooner.
9 posted on 02/20/2004 4:11:28 PM PST by PokeyJoe
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To: knak
Surprises me that they aren't asking:

"Are you planning to use your computer to order [dunh duhn DUHHHHNNNN!] TOBACCO?"

10 posted on 02/20/2004 4:14:46 PM PST by In_25_words_or_less
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To: knak
This is really stupid. Everyone knows all terrorists use Macs. Just watch any movie or TV program.
11 posted on 02/20/2004 4:19:32 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: knak
On a more serious note, one of the reasons that they have to ask this question is that the export laws treat any computer with the processing power of a 8 MHz 68000 processor (Think 1984 original Macintosh).

The laws don't ban the sales, they simply require that the proper license be obtained.

Early in the 80's when embedded-microprocessor controlled products were becoming more common, export of the product required embedding the processor in epoxy to insure that the processor couldn't be removed to be used for military applications.

It does seem pretty anachronistic that this is still around, especially given that you can pretty much fly anywhere in the world with a notebook computer more than powerful enough to model the performance of A-Bombs.

12 posted on 02/20/2004 4:21:00 PM PST by Fixit
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...purchase a PC without an FBI backgound check.

Darn! I'm in trouble...buying an Dell 8300 w/o a permission slip..."so this is how Shrillary is going to shutdown FR..They'll have to to pull the mouse, from my cold dead hands." :)

13 posted on 02/20/2004 5:06:15 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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without the prior consent of the U.S. or competent E.U. government

'nuff said.

14 posted on 02/20/2004 7:22:49 PM PST by Bilbo Baggins
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To: skinkinthegrass
I think you're OK as long as you only do your nuclear weapons development on your old machine.
15 posted on 02/20/2004 7:25:45 PM PST by Billthedrill
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I think you're OK as long as you only do your nuclear weapons development on your old machine.

...on an TI 1250. :)

..while The Clintoons, collected millions for selling secrets to the ChiComs.

16 posted on 02/21/2004 3:24:50 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: templar
No one should be allowed to purchase a PC without an FBI backgound check.

...And a ten day waiting period.

17 posted on 02/21/2004 3:28:29 AM PST by Aeronaut (Peace: in international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting.)
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To: archy; Cannoneer No. 4; Squantos; sauropod; rightwing2
I have a brand new Dell lap top with docking station setting at my desk.
18 posted on 02/21/2004 3:58:05 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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I have a brand new Dell lap top with docking station setting at my desk.

You'll find they left some of the information you'll need out of it. Here you go.


19 posted on 02/21/2004 4:25:56 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: templar
There should be a ban on "Assault PC's" too!
(They are any that look "mean.")
20 posted on 02/21/2004 4:39:19 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those that know, don't talk, those that talk, don't know.")
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