[Dialup Llama]

> In the version I saw, after Pilate gives in to their demands the crowd shouts, gleefully, ?His blood be upon us and our children.? Pilate gives up, and says to his men, ?Do as they wish.? Rumors say Mel has taken this line out. That's good, as it was traditionally understood by Christians to extend the guilt for Deicide through history to contemporary Jews;

The author does not wish to be identified, but this little throw-away reveals the bias he approaches the movie from. I can't recall any Christian tradition that calls for collective guilt. Does not the Nicene Creed say he suffered under Pilate? Can't recall any assignment of collective guilt there. But I recall many critics of Christianity casually making the atom bomb charge the Christianity teaches there is a collective guilt.

[dennisw]

According to post #5, "now infamous blogger Bill Cork" wrote the first article

[WOSG]

I agree. This is a biased review. The line is *in* the Gospels (Mark?) and is not in any way an excuse for 'collective guilt', a nonsensical view. As Gibson himself has pointed out, how can this really be anti-semetic, when Jesus himself was born in the House of David, his disciples and apostles were all Jewish, everyone but the Roman soldiers living there were Jews.

... Nevertheless, Gibson took out that line because it was one of the points used to make this out to be of concern for the 'anti-semetism' content.

Frankly, I was astounded by the reviews own anti-Catholic bias influencing his own view of it. the reviewer seems to have a 'thing' for the Catholic persepective, as if that is a big problem... well, excuse, me ... It's the same gospel and the same story!

Still, I will reserve my own full judgment until the time I see the movie. This is clearly a must-see movie.

[Vinnie]

But I recall many critics of Christianity casually making the atom bomb charge the Christianity teaches there is a collective guilt.

I was brought up in the Southern Presbyterian Church. ( Sadly absorbed by the PCUSA.)

We were always taught that the Jews were God's chosen people. Period. I never heard an utterance against the Jews or that they somehow were collectively guilty of Jesus' death.

Whether it was my intreptation or implied, I always felt that a crime against the Jews was a crime against the Father himself.

Several members of my family, including my mother and her sister have visited the Holy Land.
Israel is considered sacred ground by most Christians and the last thing they want is the demise of Israel and the Jews.

I think the views of Foxman et al are warped.