Dearth Of Information About Christ's Crucifixion Makes It Impossible To Render Accurate Account

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[Recovering_Democrat]

Typical liberal Miami press: look for the most anti-conservative article put out by the Associated Press or Reuters or UPI, and put that on your web site.

I've got a great source for liberals who don't think we know what happened to Jesus:

[Pan_Yans Wife]

What about other historical figures? Buddha? Caesar? Alexander the Great? Is there more information about them, than Christ? I don't know... but there are books or films that deal with these types of historical figures, and I don't know that anyone complained in the past saying there isn't enough documentation!

[Recovering_Democrat]

Zias said the question of whether Jesus was nailed to the cross or simply tied to it remains a mystery. "There is no evidence whatsoever he was nailed," he said. "The Gospels say he was crucified and leave it at that."

Really? What about the gospel of John?

John 20:25
So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."

Zias conveniently ignores the comments in the Postscript to the Gospel, the Acts of the Apostles:

Acts 2:23
This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

[laconic]

Interesting how these "experts" ignore the first-person account of the crucifixion which appears in the Holy Bible. But then again, I'm one of the ignorant, unwashed masses who also believes that God parted the Red Sea for Moses and that he actually handed the Ten Commandments down to him on Mt. Sinai.

[commish]

Dearth Of Information About Christ's Crucifixion Makes It Impossible To Render Accurate Account

Hmm seems to me we have 4 pretty accurate accounts of the crucifixion. I think thier names were Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. Correct me if I am wrong here.

[Guillermo]

But of course, all the claims that Jesus was a homosexual, that Jesus married Mary Magdalene, ad nauseum, cannot ever be dismissed as "innacurate."

[Bohemund]

Already posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1081493/posts

[sauropod]

read later

[onedoug]

Just have the baptismal fonts outside the theaters manned and ready.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

People who have seen the movie say it adopts standard Christian imagery in excruciating detail: Jesus being pinioned to a Latin cross -- a T-shaped device with a short upper extension -- with one nail driven through both feet and one through each palm. >>

Check out the Shroud of Turin (which has NOT been "discredited" as the left likes to pretend). It's portrayal is, ahem, "as it was" (although the holes are in His wrists, not the palms of His hands).

[ffusco]

Actually, there is more information on Julius Caesar than Christ, Buddha and Alexander the Great.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Interesting how these "experts" ignore the first-person account of the crucifixion which appears in the Holy Bible. But then again, I'm one of the ignorant, unwashed masses who also believes that God parted the Red Sea for Moses and that he actually handed the Ten Commandments down to him on Mt. Sinai.>>

Be quiet, and drink your leftist kool-aid like a good citizen.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Really? I just wondered about direct quotes. :)

[AAABEST]

LOL. With your one post in #3 you just discredited this entire article, lying professors and all.

What a joke that they can't even do a simple word search to see that he was nailed, or worse yet they did such but purposely left the info out.

[Alberta's Child]

He said experiments on cadavers carried out by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages have shown that people hanging with nails through their hands will fall to the ground within a relatively short time, pulled by gravity.

This is exactly what has led many people to believe that the Shroud of Turin is, in fact, authentic -- because people hanging with nails through their wrists will not fall to the ground in this manner.

If the Shroud were truly a fake, then the person who created it would have sought to maintain an air of authenticity by showing wounds that were consistent with what every artistic rendering of that era had showed -- which was a crucified Christ with nails through the hands.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***...or worse yet they did such but purposely left the info out.***



The liberals always:

1. Speak with an air of unquestionable authority

2. Leave out key facts

[ffusco]

I came, I saw, I conquered.
;)

[The_Reader_David]

Well another subtle error (besides no dialogue in Greek, which was, after all the lingua franc of the eastern half of the Empire, and would have been used between Pilate and the leaders of the Temple): All depictions of the Crucifixion prior to the 12th century (east or west) show one nail through each foot. The notion of a single nail through both feet seems to have been invented in Germany or Spain in the 12th or 13th century.

[tracer]

The only things about the Atonement of Jesus Christ are (a) it happened; (b) it was voluntary and efficacious; (c) that we understand and believe in it and its supremely vital role in our salvation; and (d) that we avail ourselves of it by how we live our lives and the extent that we repent of our sins that the Savior paid for with his blood.

Discussions and disputations concerning who in a mob said what; where they drove the nails; who was to "blame" -- I still cannot comprehend how that question could ever arise -- and all of the other horrid details simply are irrelevant and immaterial and only serve to detract from His Atonement within our minds. -- to the great delight of the Adversary, I might add.

The supernally important thing is that He lives and He will return in glory at a time which, I must admit, will be beyond that which I hope and pray for as I try to maintain my equilibrium in this crazy world......

[Remole]

This discussion has to do with historical reliability. And one of the criteria for determing if set of data is reliable is the existnce of multiple and independent sources of information. IF Mark, Matthew, Luke and John were independent of one another as written texts, then yes one would agree with you. But it is much more likely--and this is a position held by 95% of all New Testament scholars--that Matthew and Luke have based their accounts on Mark. And thus, the 4 Gospels at this point really present 2 independent sources.