[George W. Bush]

Just like the AWB, right? And to think I was even concerned about it! Whew! Thanks for setting our minds at ease.

Don Joe, the GOP is toast if they cross the gunowners and they know it. Bush has already tiptoed almost too close to the line by baiting the Dims on this one. (If 'baiting' is what it really was.)

Even the Dims don't want to try gungrabbing this year. A few feeble pro forma bills will be presented and will die quietly. This will be done to suck some soft money out of the gungrabbing Left contingent and harvest some easy campaign funds for Dims in safe liberal districts.

For all I fault this GOP congress with doing, I don't believe for one second that AWB will be renewed. And I give DeLay and Hostettler (Liberty Caucus) most of the credit.

And the Dims are scared stiff by it. Even Boxer and her ilk aren't going to go there again. Even the Brady Bunch has been forced to adopt more 'reasonable' tactics and are actually trying to present 'responsible' gun ownership views and plead with Dims that gungrabbing legislation will not kill their re-election. Good grief, the Brady Bunch is now actually using gunowning gungrabbers for their propaganda pieces.

AWB just doesn't prove much about Patriot. Except perhaps that determined grassroots activism can win against considerable odds.

Look, if we can't win anything, we may as well just give up and enjoy the triumph of socialism. But that's wrong. We can and still do win some for our causes. And we still have strong allies in Congress who do merit our unreserved support.

The Liberty Caucus

[Don Joe]

Don Joe, the GOP is toast if they cross the gunowners and they know it.

I take it you haven't seen the polling data lately.

Here's a hint: it ain't looing good, and it's looking worse by the day. And another thing -- it's not just the gun owners they're crossing. It's pretty much every traditional conservative.

Even the Dims don't want to try gungrabbing this year.

LOL! They won't have to try it. GWB is all for it, he'll do it for them.

I don't believe for one second that AWB will be renewed. And I give DeLay and Hostettler (Liberty Caucus) most of the credit.

I don't for one second believe it won't be renewed -- probably permanently this time, no bogus "sunset" included. And I give Karl Rove all the credit. He hasn't even weighed in yet on the matter. When he did weigh in on CFR and Medifraud "reform", the Big Brave Congressmen folded like a cheap suit. It's amazing the way these guys'll vote when they're getting their arms twisted clean out of the socket.

Even the Brady Bunch has been forced to adopt more 'reasonable' tactics

Yeah -- like "maintaining the status quo."

AWB just doesn't prove much about Patriot. Except perhaps that determined grassroots activism can win against considerable odds.

LOL! Just like it did when it passed?

I wasted my time and money calling Dole's office. They said the calls were coming in fast and furious, pretty much all against. Viagradole himself said that the calls were something like 2000 to 1 against.

He voted for it.

And we still have strong allies in Congress who do merit our unreserved support.

I can't really challenge that statement, because I don't know what you mean by "we". Me, I can barely make ends meet. NWIH can I afford to send the multi-figure $$$ amounts to "my" representatives to get them to listen to what I'd like. I can just shut up and take it. Maybe you and your circle of "we" have deeper pockets than me.