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To: seamole
By the way, seabrain, what do you call Osama bin Laden? He can certainly be seen as a martyr to his cause - and I'm sure his millions of followers also consider him a martyr. He's both a martyr and a hero to his followers. So that blows your theory that "you can't become a martyr for evil" right out of the water.

As far as Gavin Newsom, he's not a martyr. I misspoke (which I thought I clarified in post #148). But he is a hero. Not to me, but to you and your buddies.

173 posted on 02/21/2004 12:17:36 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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