[B4Ranch]

"Education is different from job training. Education is everyone's responsibility, especially parents. Job training, which many schools are switching to because more employers see it as yet another expense they shouldn't be burdoned with, is very site specific. School is for learning the basics, the fundamentals. Job training has to be done on the job since every business applies science, technology, business methodologies, etc. in a different way. There is no way you could learn everything you need to know for a particular job in school, yet this is the claim of businesses that seek to bring in employees from overseas. So, of course they are always going to be able to say there is a shortage of 'qualified' workers when everyone knows ther isn't. What we are seeing is nothing more than businesses lobbying gov't to make life easier than them. Instead of democrats subsidizing workers, we have republicans subsidizing employers. 6 of one, half dozen of the other."

Really? /sarcasm

How many people do you know who have a job actually will get off their butt and take an extra night course or get a second part-time job that is more challenging than their own with the realized intention that they will actually learn more that will be usefull on their own job and will lead to a pay raise?

Most people seem to find this comfort spot and then stop learning. The one thing they don't ever do is quit bitching about --Fred got promoted, I've got more time with the company than he does--I haven't had a raise since the cows went home--boy, that new kid is a wiseass, he thinks he can tell me how to do my job, I've been at that machine for 15 years. Who the hell does he think he is?

Expecting your employer to select you for training when he could much easier hire a competitors employee away from them and get it all in one bag. Experience, education, job skills and advanced knowledge in that particular field and perhaps a few others.

I know far too people who continually bitch but refuse to take it upon themselves to become a better employee or even refuse to go to a job fair to see what the latest is on the market. Afraid they'll miss their weekend football games, I suppose. These are the people for whom trade unions fill the bill. Security, raises, company paid training, medical benefits and they didn't have to do a thing except show up and work only as hard as the guys beside them.

Only one time in my life have I ever had a man come in a say, "I need a job today, not tomorrow, right now.

I'll work for you for one week for no pay to give you a chance to see if I know the skills I say I have. If you see that I'm not as good as your top men when you let me go, you promise to tell me where I failed.

I hired the man on the spot and eventually sold the company to him.

By the way he lied on his resume. He left out more than most try to stretch. Unusual for a thirty year old man.

[SierraWasp]

Amen, to what you said, brother Ben!!!

[sixmil]

You are completely missing the point. Education is not the same as training. Education is an individual's own responsibility and mainly consists of fundamentals and generalities. Training is specific to what a company is doing or trying to do, and therefore the responsibility of companies. This is a cost of doing business that cheapos like you are trying to pass on to everyone else. Not surprising, you don't think you should invest in your employees or your own country, at least you are consistant. Like a carrot you dangle it out there with an increasing list of things you need to know to get the job. The sad thing is that if someone is dumb enough to pay for training, they will often find after they get the job that these companies are looking for certain skills because they have no clue what they are or have badly botched their implementation.

By the way he lied on his resume. He left out more than most try to stretch. Unusual for a thirty year old man.

Sounds like you got what you deserved. You paid zero and got zero back. This isn't really about money for you, is it?