To: mhking
Couple of things while y'all are gathering the firewood to burn me at the stake....
1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
/rant off
42 posted on
02/19/2004 7:39:03 AM PST by
Jaded
(Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
To: Jaded
1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
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exactly. In a news conference about the allegations, why did he bring up her performance. as you say... "One has nothing to do with the other. "
I think the point you reference in #2 is off a bit, the allegations do not stop at foul language, the way your comment does. I don't think she alleges that she was raped with foul language.
I cannot answer your #3. I'm not a woman.
44 posted on
02/19/2004 7:53:19 AM PST by
dmz
To: Jaded
1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
Barnett explicitly connected her ability to what happened to her: "It was obvious that Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do - they respect your ability." And in Barnett's world, apparently "what guys do" when they don't respect your ability is rape you if you're a girl.
2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
Are you reading the same story the rest of us are reading? Rape is not "foul language," nor is complaining about it "PC."
3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
One reason women don't report rape could be because when they do they get the kind of treatment you seem to want to give them, telling them to stop whining about "being called names." Who is (or at least was) the most powerful person at Colorado University, if not the whole state? Not the chancellor or the governor, but the head football coach. When he tells a woman that he will back his player "100%" if she follows through with a criminal complaint, her choice is to either shut up or risk getting screwed again.
47 posted on
02/19/2004 8:06:33 AM PST by
drjimmy
To: Jaded
1. What does talking about her abilities as a player have to do with rape? Why is it insensitive? One has nothing to do with the other.
Barnett explicitly connected her ability to what happened to her: "It was obvious that Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do - they respect your ability." And in Barnett's world, apparently "what guys do" when they don't respect your ability is rape you if you're a girl.
2. College football..... 99.99999% men. If you're gonna play with the boys and try to be one of the boys, you're gonna get talked to like you're one of the boys. They sometime use foul language and call people names. GET OVER IT. Oh, I forgot, that's not PC.
Are you reading the same story the rest of us are reading? Rape is not "foul language," nor is complaining about it "PC."
3. Why don't these women report the rapes when they happen? When did we become of society of guilty until proven innocent? That evidence has no value and accusation has all value?
One reason women don't report rape could be because when they do they get the kind of treatment you seem to want to give them, telling them to stop whining about "being called names." Who is (or at least was) the most powerful person at Colorado University, if not the whole state? Not the chancellor or the governor, but the head football coach. When he tells a woman that he will back his player "100%" if she follows through with a criminal complaint, her choice is to either shut up or risk getting screwed again.
48 posted on
02/19/2004 8:07:11 AM PST by
drjimmy
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