Naco Border Patrol agents pinned down by automatic weapon fire

BORDER PATROL Local 2544 ^ | 2-18-04

[TERMINATTOR]

Naco Border Patrol agents were pinned down by automatic weapon fire from cowardly assailants in Mexico on Tuesday, February 18th. The agents, who were pinned down for 5 to 7 minutes, were not injured and were unable to return fire. The shooting took place in broad daylight and the shooters knew exactly who they were shooting at. After the assailants left the area, they fired on other Border Patrol agents nearby. Hundreds of shell casings were reportedly scattered about area after the shootings. More to follow.

[archy]

Do they make a .50/.30 sabot for the .50BMG?

Oh yes. Known as SLAP.

Get five, and you make *ace*:

[Darksheare]

LOL!

[Blue Collar Christian]

"Ok, so post snipers..."

I volunteer!

[Blue Collar Christian]

I can't figure the velocity of a .30 cal projectile with a 50BMG powder load behind it! Would have to be a stout bullet to hold together.

[GingisK]

I'm partial to a bigger round, say, a 165-grain .30-06

I know just what you mean. All of mine are .30cal. I am STILL angry about them taking my M-14 and giving me the M-16. There is a story told by a British SAS man who engaged in the Falklins. He lamented the fact that the foe had to be hit three times before going down; however, only one shot was all it took from his FN FAL. (Which they took from him before the fracas.) He also said that the FN was indeed a beast to carry around, yet he has no recollection that it weighed anything at all during combat.

[archy]

I can't figure the velocity of a .30 cal projectile with a 50BMG powder load behind it! Would have to be a stout bullet to hold together.

As always, barrel length makes a difference, but circa 4000 FPS is quite possible. But the bullet doesn't need to be that strongly constructed, since the rifling contacts the plastic *sabot* guide and pressure seal instead of having the bullet jacket scored by the rifling.

More on the M903 .50 SLAP ammo here, and also on the SLAP-tracer round.

[Nix 2]

When I lived in Sunny Southern California, it was being invaded by Korean Gangs, Tortillarias, and Vietnamese still coming in droves.
ALL of these people were being offered business loans at 3% when Americans had mortgages that were heading for the moon...2 and 3 at a time.
The Koreans moved into Garden Grove and I don't know but what GG isn't completely Korean now. They bought up whole shopping centers and threw all the Americans out to rent to other Koreans.
Every single morning on my way to work, there would be streetcorners packed with Chicanos waiting for the construction company trucks to pick them up. It wasn't long before my neighborhood was unsafe at any hour of the day, let alone the night.
It was impossible to spend a day at the park. Some dude would be making kissing sounds and saying,"Come here, baby. What'sa matter? You too good for us or sonthin?"
And other, more obscene rhetoric. Better to get in the car and drive up the Pacific Highway 'til you got out of range.
The Vietnamese were mostly older folks, but there was a woman we called The Dragon Lady. She spoke English and could open a bank account. Every month she would show up with about 500 Social Security checks to cash. She got 25% from every check she cashed. She had a stunt she used to pull on these people. She would use the checks to buy Travelers' Checks, which, of course, SHE would have to cash as well. So she doubled, sometimes tripled, her take because she got paid for every single TCheck she cashed. We got her, finally.
There was a guy who carried bricks of hundred dollar bills around in his cartrunk. He looked like an Amish Farmer, but he pimped little girls he had hooked on heroin or cocaine. His Mexconnex brought his stuff in every Sunday night with no hindrance whatsoever. I managed to get one of his girls one night, working the street near Disneyland; a 13 year old who was literally dying from pneumonia and he wouldn't even allow her to see a doctor.
I talked her into letting me take her to the hospital, but she died anyway because she wanted her stuff so badly she left the hospital to go back to him. Her death caused a couple of other girls, one only 10 to come forward, scared as they were.
I used to think that hell could not be any worse. I was wrong. It not only got worse, it spread almost everywhere. And then along came Madrassas. And much later, along came the berserk mayor of San Fransissyco. It is no wonder we roll our eyes to heaven and treat our weapons like precious gems because there is just no telling anymore what or where the next attack will be or come from.
Methinks it is not paranoia anymore.

[Khurkris]

Sounds like its time for Mr. Barrett to reach out and touch somebody.

[Khurkris]

LOL...I had a suspicion this was yr post before I got to the bottom...LOL.

[novacation]

Thanks for the ping. I'll take more on this subject when you have them

[Darksheare]

People my direction won't understand that, and to a certain extent I can only imagine since I'm not personally in the middle of it myself.
It's frustrating, I can say what I know and have heard as well as show proof of such things to people here, and the attitude is, "Oh, that's them not us/ That's across coutnry from us it doesn't effect us."
Good luck out there.
I don't think it's paranoia either.
One of the Low Rider magazines last year or so had a cover that screamed about a tricked out pimpmobile in "Aztlan".

[TLI]

Methinks it is not paranoia anymore.

It was not paranoia 10 - 15 years ago. Today it is beyond self defense. It is survival.

Seriously considering Constitution Party, T L I.

[archy]

LOL...I had a suspicion this was yr post before I got to the bottom...LOL.

A recoilless would be a possibility, too. But again, that'sas heavy as a Barrett. And I think the effect of a light mortar would be a better bet than either a long range .50 rifle or a RCLR.

[Blue Collar Christian]

My concern was over the RPMs the projectile might be subjected to, so rifling twist rate would be the factor at 4000fps. Alot of bullets for varmint rounds are tough enough to withstand the revolutions of fast rifling, I was just guessing that the projectile would be travelling at well over the 4k fps this round achieves.

Still, KOOOOL!

[Khurkris]

Quite an interesting post. Garden Grove is quite livable; no 'Yellow Hordes' ruling the streets. Although there are quite a few busineses that have their sign in Korean as well as English. And 'white people' have businesses there also.

The city of Westminster is about 35% Viet Namese and suprisingly bereft of 'Dragon Ladies', but there are quite a number of thriving businesses and of course the political goings on that accompany economic activity. Oh, and 'white people' are the majority of the populace.

As far as 'Tortillarias' go, all of southern cali is dotted with Mom & Pop Mescan restaraunts. Its probably the most common type here. And the ILLEGAL INVASION does continue. This is a serious problem. And yes, there are street corners where people looking for day-labor do gather. This has been a source for much concern and a number of communities have tried to move these people to one location for this. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Workers have learned not to do the 'smoochy smoochy, come here baby' if they are looking for work.

Please keep repeating your stories. Hopefully it will stop more people from moving here. Its too crowded already. (and they might have a neighbor thats...you know...one of...'them')

[Khurkris]

Very effective indeed. IMHO I would still favor non-attached, non-uniformed 2 man teams with either a Barrett or a Win .300 mag. Just set up 300-500 yards away and let them hold a few. The effect of this would spread quickly thru-out the policia/narco communidad.

Of course there would be Counsulor protests. But this is where those magic words come into play - plausible deniability.

We know nut-heenk...nut-heenk! <-- Sgt. Shultz voice.

[SevenDaysInMay]

Much of these lands in question only purpose is to hold the remainder of better lands together.

Our USA is being invaded by tens of millions of criminals and likely islamists in greater numbers than ever before.

Will the ruling elites inside the Beltway respond appropriately when there are 100 million Mexican et al. invaders living, working, and voting with fradulent documents?

Motor voter fraud is changing our election outcomes subverting our future as our sovereign Constitutional Republic.

Our mortal enemies are at total war against us. Our national policy to allow imports of Fox & Amigos refuse millions is suicidal.

[PRND21]

This union has unaffiliated itself with the AFL-CIO and speaks regularly against it. Is that good enough for you?

Only recently and because their piece of the liberal pie shrank.
Seems they got some facts wrong, too. Figures.

[Ajnin]

We carry the Beretta 96F Brigadier in .40 cal. We are also assigned select fire Colt M-4's and Mossberg 590, 12 gauge shotguns. We also have access to M-14's. Depending on what Sector an agent works for, he may only be allowed only to use his Beretta. I have been told that the Yuma Border Patrol Sector modified all their M-4's to fire semi-auto. I work for the El Centro Station in the El Centro Sector and we can use everything that is available, however the agents at our sister station in Calexico are not allowed to take their M-4's if they are working in a populated area.

[Dante3]

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