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To: BMCDA
Sez you. I on the other hand think it's a bit too early to discard a natural explanation of the origin of these first self-replicators. We know that complex organic molecules can form under certain conditions and which can even form larger structures. Also we are only at the beginning of examining possible pathways that could have given rise to these first replicators, so throwing your hands up in the air and declaring it a miracle is not an acceptable option IMO.

"Sez" me? Hardly! :-)

"Sez" Chemistry 101. Remember a little thing called "equillibrium" - it's the "monkey wrench" in abiogenesis thinking. Life exists as an incredible complex set of biochemical equilibrium rxns - all are interconnected - one rxn must exist for another rxn(s) to exist - take even one rxn away or let said rxn run its course to chemical equilibrium within the cell and you cease to live. Try building a system where you can control the exact concentrations of all few billion equillibrium rxns within a single cell, and maybe you could create your own life - sans this, life isn't going to happen, and if we can't force it, or anything close to it in lab, what makes you think an unintelligent biological soup got together what is chemically impossible?

If this isn't a problem for you . . .

171 posted on 02/20/2004 7:21:42 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: realpatriot71
A modern cell is indeed a very complex system but that doesn't mean that the first self-replicator had to be such a complex cell or that it even had to be a cell at all.

There are a lot of possible scenarios on how even such simple biochemical systems can arise or how they can become more complex but at the moment our knowledge in this field is still very low, so declaring abiogenesis impossible and calling for a supernatural "explanation" is not justifiable IMO.

173 posted on 02/20/2004 7:56:48 PM PST by BMCDA
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