[realpatriot71]

Even the most fervent proponents of ID do not say evolution is impossible, just improbable. Improbable is not impossible. Our species could probably survive if aliens came down from the sky and killed everyone who has never won lotto.

Watch closely or you might miss this . . . I never said "evolution" was impossible, but rather abiogenesis is impossible - a necessary condition for the beginning of the theory.

[js1138]

Yes, well a beginning is also necessary for inanimate stuff to exist, yet physists persist in studying what is and how it works without having a perfect theory of how existence came to be.

Evolution studies what is and how it works. For the moment you can have any theory you please as to how it started.

Even if we can set up the "super-Miller" experiment that starts with a bottle of inanimate gunk and produces a pussycat, we will not know the exact history of how live arose on this planet. Just as you will never know exactly, in complete detail, what happened to Nichole Simpson.

You can, however, say whether a Simpson theory is possible and plausible, or not.

[Virginia-American]

...but rather abiogenesis is impossible - a necessary condition for the beginning of the theory. ...

No it isn't. If Mars, for example, were "seeded" by us, the bacteria, lichens would certainly evolve, but abiogenesis would not have occurred there.

If Earth had been seeded with anything more complex than bacteria, that fact would show up in the fossil record. EG, it would abruptly end (really begin) with trilobites or algae or something.

So we're left with either the hypothetical designer made bacteria, or there is no such designer.