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To: davidosborne; tertiary01; little jeremiah; Jackie-O; scripter
Hey, I've been pondering this stuff and I want to run a few things by you.

I see now that Daley of Chicago is in effect encouraging persons in his city to engage in the same burlesque of marriage that is occurring in San Francisco. No doubt other liberals will start this stuff in their own little bailiwicks.

So I got thinking of how I am opposed to the proposed constitutional amendment. Said amendment would define marriage as ONLY the union of one man and one woman. All well and good, BUT... Why was I opposed to it? B/C I am extremely leery of anything that increases the powers of already-overbearing federal government.

So I tried to talk myself into supporting the marriage amendment. After all, I thought, it will state definitively the thing that you want: that marriage stay as it always has been, the tried-and-true, true-to-nature, way.

But you know what? I believe that the marriage amendment might just bring ALL the law pertaining the family--INCLUDING DIVORCE AND CUSTODY LAW--into the FEDERAL sphere. And, ahem, we've already seen what bringing the law of child support into the federal sphere has done! It's all a one-size-fits-all thing; child support is determined by a centralized chart which has been adopted by each state. And we all know the many injustices to which that has led. It wouldn't be so bad if persons couldn't be JAILED INDEFINITELY for contempt of court, as a means of enforcing these federal child support mandates--but in fact, they CAN be so jailed.

We currently have an ever-growing body of federal criminal law. Once upon a time, criminal law was mostly a state matter... no more! And take a look at the Draconian techniques of federal criminal prosecutions, and don't forget to look at FORFEITURE of property under federal criminal statutes.

Do we really want to have divorce law, and custody law, etc., be the province of federal courts, instead of individual state courts? B/C that, IMO, is what will happen. And we will also have to forget about state laws dealing with age of majority, emancipation, etc. All will eventually be federalized--IOW, FAMILY LAW will be federal, not state.

So then I was thinking, WHO is really driving this sudden circus in which they are "marrying" same-sex pairs? Why now? A normal person need only watch a little of the coverage of this, and see these people gleefully flouting not only the laws of man, but the law of nature, to be sickened and annoyed by it, as are many posters here. It's a rabble-rousing device. It's a way of getting the blood of average people riled up. WHY?

IMO, the answer to that "why" is, b/c SOMEONE wants that amendment passed. B/C someone is looking ahead, is licking their chops over the new expansion of the federal government into the area of family law. I say "someone", but of course I mean groups of people. Groups of people who want to increase the already too-great power of the federal government. They know that the sight of these homosexuals making a mockery of marriage is going to push the rest of us into doing something hasty like passing the marriage amendment.

This technique, IMO, was used in the civil rights movement. It's no secret that the big shows put on in the southern states--such as Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door--were done in complete collusion with persons in Washington. (Some say, with the president himself.) People got into a huge sweat over that stuff--"Oh, the injustice!" And as a result, they were only too happy to let the feds pass a bunch of one-size-fits-all "civil rights" laws. And we've seen what that has led to... Example: affirmative action.
Did these laws really help blacks more than they hurt the population as a whole? Who knows? I am not in favor of making anyone be a second-class citizen, but it seems to me that the repeal of state laws that did that to blacks would have helped solve the problem more than the passage of sweeping federal laws which took state matters out of state hands. Yes--repealing certain laws would have been a better solution than adding more and bigger laws.

While the same techniques used in the civil rights era may be in use here, I emphatically do NOT compare homosexuals to members of minority races. We all know that homosexuality is a behavior, we know that a black person can't hide the color of his skin in order to gain fair treatment, whereas a homosexual can hide his status anytime he wants to. Furthermore, such a comparison is an insult to all members of minority races. There are many other reasons why the comparison btw homosexuals and racial minorities is a completely false paradigm--too numerous to go into in this already long post.

Proposed solution: let 'em do their so-called "marriage" thing. If it doesn't measure up to practicality and the laws of nature--and I don't see how it can--it will end up being a whole lot of nothing.
160 posted on 02/19/2004 5:15:05 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Wow, lots to ponder. One thing I can agree with off the bat is that if Family Law would be brought to the Federal level, could be disastrous. With all of the debate over the Patriot Act, couldn't you just see a big mess if Divorce and Child Custody cases were in a federal court??
161 posted on 02/19/2004 5:33:44 PM PST by Jackie-O
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To: Devil_Anse
Thanks for the ping. I still think the constitutional ammendment is the best fix or it will just continue to get worse.

it will end up being a whole lot of nothing.

It also may not, and for me that's the bigger concern. As I see it, the potential damage homosexual marriage will cause on our country and our youth is too high, much too high. And the possibility of what you describe above seems more far fetched.

166 posted on 02/19/2004 7:56:14 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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