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If you do not have the particular set of job skills that an employer needs, of if you have priced your labor out of the marketplace, guess what? It's not the employer's fault. The fault lies with you.

American IT workers may have been the best...But they are not willing to live on $10,000-20,000 a year. And even if they were willing to do so, how can they,in virtually any part of the USA? Even in the rural midwest, those wages would not cover the normal living expenses-rent, food, car, utilities, emergency money...Not to mention the loans to pay back for college, where s/he learned the skills that are now too high for a labor market that includes the worst of the Third World.

Either develop a new set of job skills that are actually in demand, or adjust your pricing. The employer knows what he's looking for you. If you're not it .. it's your problem, not his.

Regardless of our "skill" level, the employer will prefer to outsource to people who want $10,000-20,000 a year-regardless of any fall off in quality that may result. Our skills and experience and knowledge are irrelevant-the CEOs will go for the cheapest worker.

Do you want companies to stop outsourcing IT jobs to India?

We have not yet begun tosee what a disasterous mistake outsourcing is. That she-dog who threatened to put confidential patient information online unless she was given a $10,000 bribe? I'll bet she's the tip of the iceberg. I wonder how many Americans are going to lose their credit-their savings-their identities, when the Third World helps itself to their financial data-and we've seen a ton of articles at FR re: financial data being outsourced-including IRS info.

Ditto for manufacturing.

This guy ends his screed with a WW IV reference...Does he ever stop to wonder just how we are going to be able to fight wars when our armaments, ammo, uniforms, etc, are being made by countries that hate us,including one that has threatened more than once to bomb LA?

...because you've made some pitiful jobs choices.

Like the "pitiful" decision to become a nurse-when native nurses are fired and Filipinas hired in their place at $7.00 an hour. Ditto doctors. Or the pitiful decision to become an accountant-when corporations are outsourcing their financial work. Or the pitiful decision to major in IT or CS-ditto. May I remind the author of this screed that those are the sort of jobs we were SUPPOSED to get when the factories went overseas? Good grief, there is NO degree we can get, no skills we can perfect, that cannot be done elsewhere for 1/10th the cost, NOT because we're "greedy" , but because the cost of living in this country-even the cheap sections-is high.The US government helps itself to 40% of the average taxpayer's earnings! Never mind housing, food, car payments, utilities....

People like this won't be happy till no one in this country can survive unless they're a hooker, drug dealer, nude dancer, or massage parlor girl-and what's to stop illegal aliens from doing THOSE jobs for less? OK, there's still cop, firefighter, prison guard, hotel and restaurant staff, cashier...But it should be remembered that some of those jobs are quota/AA jobs, and if you're the wrong color/gender for that area, you're SOL, and the remainder are more and more "reserved" for illegal aliens. We're "too proud and lazy" to do the jobs we were doing right up to the day they fired us and hired illegals (I could tell some real horror stories of what was done tol ocal-black and white workers at the poultry processing plants.) And smug SOBs like the author of this screed need to remember...even in your job seems safe and unoutsourceable (eg,lawyer), how does that help you if-because of the loss first of manufacturing jobs, then of customer service jobs, then of white collar/professional jobs-no one can afford to buy your services?

93 posted on 02/18/2004 6:11:32 AM PST by kaylar
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To: kaylar
We have not yet begun tosee what a disasterous mistake outsourcing is. That she-dog who threatened to put confidential patient information online unless she was given a $10,000 bribe?

I've seen the same thing threatened here in the US. If those countries want our business they must and have put in the laws to protect confidentiality. If they haven't then they are stupid and will lose out on all the business.
150 posted on 02/18/2004 6:47:51 AM PST by Outsourcing=Competition (I'm voting for Bush. What about you?)
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To: kaylar
The munitions plant in my area is working 24/7 and has since 9/11.

Several small manufacturers (in the $1M-$3M gross range)near me supply items to the military.

Back in the 90s, an LEO/EMT friend of my brother started a manufacturing business that had, as its first client, the US military. Not sure if they are still doing that or not, but to me, the point is that they tried. Their financing came from several private individuals who saw it as a good investment,

I even know a small business in the NYC/NJ area that does marketing and promotion that won an Army contract to set up and run various recruiting programs.

I thought I read that the military actually will not outsource sensitive defense contracts? Maybe I missed that they actually do?
151 posted on 02/18/2004 6:48:20 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: kaylar
American IT workers may have been the best...But they are not willing to live on $10,000-20,000 a year. And even if they were willing to do so, how can they,in virtually any part of the USA?

People working or training for the health care industry are about to get the IT treatment. Just look at radiologists and transcriptionists. Nursing is being teed-up first for "guest workers" to come in at half the pay.

156 posted on 02/18/2004 6:52:24 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: kaylar
And smug SOBs like the author of this screed need to remember...even in your job seems safe and unoutsourceable (eg,lawyer), how does that help you if-because of the loss first of manufacturing jobs, then of customer service jobs, then of white collar/professional jobs-no one can afford to buy your services?

And if no one can afford to buy your services, then it should be obvious even to you that your income is going to plummet along with all the other riff raff!

320 posted on 02/18/2004 10:05:20 AM PST by navyblue
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