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To: Taliesan
I now see your qualifying statement following the first.

I fully support your right to stupid values, and will vote against anyone who wants to impose on you a symbiotic relationship you don't want.

I don't get this at all. An employer does not have a business, at least a large one, without employees. How can there not be an inherently sybiotic relationship? Neither can exist without the other. What makes the employer more important than the work that his employees do? How does the work get done if there are no employees?

Corporations produce cheap "crap" because the "us" wants it.

I disagree. This is what we have been told and now believe. Did people 40 years ago "want" cheap stuff. No. They were interested in quality. Now, we are told that poor quality is all we should accept. Not only that, we are expected to consume so that the stockholders will benefit. Look at Bush's tax rebate last year. When the checks were sent out we were told to spend it to keep the econmy afloat. We were not told to invest it or save it.

252 posted on 02/18/2004 8:20:20 AM PST by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: raybbr

More often, it's all we can afford.

I would like to have an American Lathe and Mill in my garage.. There's a China made model out there now because it's that or nothing.

Unionized American machinists are expensive. Deleting the Wagner Act should be an integral part of any such conversation, imo.

255 posted on 02/18/2004 8:23:19 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: raybbr
1. The relationship between employer and employee is whatever the two of them agree it is. If the employee makes a stupid deal, that's called freedom. If the employer thinks the employee is worthless, that's called freedom.

2. The "crap" is bought. Nobody is telling you poor quality is all you should accept. That is a hallucination.

3. Bush didn't force you spend your tax cut on anything.

259 posted on 02/18/2004 8:26:50 AM PST by Taliesan
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