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LET'S TALK ABOUT "YOUR" JOBS
Nealz Nuze ^ | Wednesday, February 18, 2004 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 02/18/2004 5:12:57 AM PST by beaureguard

Jobs .. and the economy. Those seem to be the issues that are driving many, if not most, of those who are supporting the Kerry candidacy.

First of all ... I'm going to repeat this simply because it makes the whiners so unbelievably angry. Listen up. They're not your jobs! The jobs belong to the employers .. not to you! You have job skills and, presumably, a willingness to work. Your task in a free economy is to get out there and find some employer with a job who needs your skills ... and strike a deal.

If you do not have the particular set of job skills that an employer needs, of if you have priced your labor out of the marketplace, guess what? It's not the employer's fault. The fault lies with you. Either develop a new set of job skills that are actually in demand, or adjust your pricing. The employer knows what he's looking for you. If you're not it .. it's your problem, not his.

Now ... you say you're going to vote for a Democrat this year because of jobs? You mean to tell me that you're going to vote against George Bush this year because you don't have a set of job skills that are in demand in our free marketplace? Yeah .. that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

Tell me. Just what do you want the president to do? You information technology people out there .. just what are you demanding? Do you want companies to stop outsourcing IT jobs to India? OK ... tell me how to do that. These companies aren't shipping parts overseas and completed products back. All they do is ship information overseas by phone lines or the Internet. Then that information is modified and shipped back the same way. What do you want the government .. the president to do? Do you want some federal law that prohibits companies from transmitting information overseas by the Internet, having that information transformed or modified, and then shipped back? And tell me just how do you enforce that law? Does that law then apply to you also if you seek information from a company that is located overseas, thus depriving a domestic company of your business?

Ditto for manufacturing. I've already told you the story about the California company that makes computer mouses. (computer mice?) This company ships the components to China. The mouse is assembled in China and shipped back, then sold for around $40. Why? Because the assembly is cheaper in China than it would be in the US. So, you say you want the president to force this company to have that mouse assembled in the US? Fine .. then the price for the mouse goes up to about $70 a pop and sales drop. As the sales drop the jobs of the people in this country who manufacture the components for that mouse go away. Then the 100 marketing jobs this company supports in California also go away. You see, perhaps you can succeed in forcing this company to assemble these mouses in the US, but there just isn't any way you can force the American consumer to pay 80% more for the "made in America" version.

As Bruce Bartlett says in an article listed in my reading assignments, "No nation has ever gotten rich by forcing its citizens to pay more for domestic goods and services that could have been procured more cheaply abroad."

What we are seeing here is a demonstration of the "government owes me" mentality of far too many Americans. Every time you arrive at a speed bump in your life's journey you start screaming to the government for help. Sure, the speed bump is going to slow you down a bit ... but just keep moving forward and things inevitably pick up speed again. Americans are becoming helpless whiners. The more helpless you are, and the more you whine, the more likely it is you're going to vote for a Democrat. Democrats specialize in stroking the malcontent.

Congratulations, whiners. At a time when America if fighting World War IV, the war against Islamic terrorism ... you're going to vote for a candidate who wants to treat terrorism as a freaking law enforcement problem because you've made some pitiful jobs choices. Pitiful.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: navyblue
a large amount of India's problem comes from too many people in too small a space. they live in poverty because the compition is too high and the supply is too low. also, it is mostly the men who get jobs over there, i think if i was getting 20k a year and my wife was getting 20k a year, id be right at the middle class mark, no?

people are complaining that thats what those in India will work for, simply because they dont want to be in the lower middle class. everyone wants to be upper middle or upper class.turh is, our lower middle class is heads and shoulders above many countries' class system entirely except for maybe the royalty.

yes, we need jobs here as bad as they do; however, we need to recall that we have fat "poor" people. noone else can claim that.
361 posted on 02/18/2004 10:50:48 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: eleni121
Socialist Bureaucrats once they are entrenched are permanently destructive.

See the Organization of American States and the Summit of the Americas....our "free trade" negotiating groups.
362 posted on 02/18/2004 10:50:51 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: MacDorcha
>and whats this about "needing to keep people fed"? that
>isnt the Governments job, thats our own jobs.

It is the government's job to maintain a social and economic climate in which all the willing and able members of society which desire to better themselves through hard work or education can do so. That, in case you've forgotten, is the so-called American dream. Pushing a global economy in which labor is outsourced to the lowest international bidder while your own citizens go unemployed is not the government's job but what our friends in the White House (Rockafeller Republicans) seem to be hell bent on doing.

It is the job of the individual to take advantage of such opportunities.

I heard it once said that there are "country club republicans" and "country music republicans." Ronald Reagan was part of and was sympathetic to the latter group. The Bushies are part of the former group. Someday, the former group will learn that it is unelectable. As of now, it does appear that it is going to take two one-term Bushes to drive that point home.
363 posted on 02/18/2004 10:55:12 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: chimera
all those jobs have ways to be improved. yes, manufactering is important (look at japan, no resources, but they produce so much) to gain wealth, but we can still research, develop, and sell our way to the top. i believe we also produce something like 25% of the world's food, yet only have 1/5 farming land. thats innovation as well, and we are producing a good that will only grow in demand.
364 posted on 02/18/2004 10:57:07 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
>do however, think that we CAN compete with the lesser
>wages in india, if we simply learn to deal with it as they
>have

And how is that exactly...cutting household expenses to the point that white collar workers can't afford to buy homes or install air conditioning in their rental flats because they can't afford the electric bill?

I'm sure Miami and Phoenix will be wonderful places to live in August without our friends at Carrier.
365 posted on 02/18/2004 10:59:09 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: gonewt
On a related subject, I'm still waiting on the savings gained from offshoring to be passed on to me - the consumer.
366 posted on 02/18/2004 11:01:02 AM PST by Doohickey (The ultimate paradigm of government is the public restroom)
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To: FITZ
You think this article is helpful? You think someone who is unemployed and about to lose his home to foreclosure will become convinced by something like this to vote Republican?

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Conservatives who plan to punish Bush with their votes are punishing the wrong person and for the wrong reasons. This article deals with the reasons and I will deal with the person.

Presidents should not and do not micro-manage the economy. They can only try to lead and point us in a direction.

The congress on the other hand, makes the laws and determinations. The congress is the entity for which voting will determine policy. Not the president, he deals with macro, not micro economics. He deals with the big picture, and cannot/should not be pegged for single issue mentality voting.

Although so many do.

367 posted on 02/18/2004 11:03:45 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: applemac_g4
you're complaining about heating and Ac in Phoenix? havent they been developing for a few decades now homes that cost less than normal homes and maintain temperatures so well that something to the tune of 60% is cut off the heating and air bills? its cheaper to live that way over there from what ive read/heard.

you dont see the people here in Georgia practially clawing each other for 500k housing that they cant even back out of their driveways from without hitting their neighbors driveway. sprawl is crazy down here, and id settle for something in the 80's with a little over an acre of land.
368 posted on 02/18/2004 11:06:44 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Doohickey
The Many Myths of Free Trade
1. The savings gained by putting Americans out of work will be passed on to consumers.

Yup thats a good one. Things are so much cheaper now. /sarcasm

369 posted on 02/18/2004 11:07:13 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Doohickey
>On a related subject, I'm still waiting on the savings
>gained from offshoring to be passed on to me - the
>consumer.

Most curious. As a stockholder, I'm still waiting on the savings gained from offshoring to be passed on to me. Wonder where they went?

(searching through annual report)...

Ah, here it is. Executive pay was increased 10% from 500 million a year to 550 million a year.

Sounds fair to me.
370 posted on 02/18/2004 11:08:49 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: Agnes Heep
I remember the John Wayne movie "McClintock". In one scene, a guy harrasses the Duke and says "Give me a job!". The Duke replies, "I'm not in the business of giving jobs. I'm in the business of hiring men!".

That exchange pretty much covers it.
371 posted on 02/18/2004 11:09:33 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: Moonman62
Exactly..Are we on the wrong board?I thought people on FR were very wary of government regulation,laws and powers.
372 posted on 02/18/2004 11:14:02 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: wirestripper
The congress on the other hand, makes the laws and determinations.

The congress no longer makes trade negotiations. That is the job of Robert Zoelick. He is the minister of trade appointed by the president to the WTO created by uconstitutional congressional action, which makes most of our international trade law for us.

The president signed into law fast track authority. This is micromanaging trade negotiations to the ultimate. So whether the president should not micromanage trade, he does in a big way.
373 posted on 02/18/2004 11:14:24 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: applemac_g4
Get the stockholders together and yell at the Board about the salaries.
374 posted on 02/18/2004 11:16:05 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Poohbah
That's about it! If they have no loyalty to America, then they have no right to expect American military men to put their lives on the line!

They're on their own!

375 posted on 02/18/2004 11:17:49 AM PST by navyblue
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To: applemac_g4
As a stockholder, I'm still waiting on the savings gained from offshoring to be passed on to me.

If your stock ownership isn't benefiting you, then why do you still own the stock?

376 posted on 02/18/2004 11:23:08 AM PST by kevao
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To: raybbr; Gena99
Maine is always the 2d poorest state in the Union, or close to it. It will probably always remain so now that the Demoncraps have taken over, apparently to stay. We do have an incredibly wealthy and privileged (note sp, raybbr) class of summer visitors to our beautiful seashore. However, we home-town folk from the inland manufacturing, lumber, and farm towns have been in one economic downturn after another, apparently since the close of the War Between the States.

Before the present MTV and drugs-crazed era, however, we never let our poverty as a state affect our intellectual development.

To answer Gena directly, I had a consulting assignment in which 200 (!) young people were hired off the streets of a fair-sized town and invited to train for medium-tech factory work at $18/hr.(not exactly peanuts) After a three month training period, during which they were taught basic shop skills, arithmetic, safety, and were given physical training (work-hardening), they were to be placed on the assembly line, given $21/Hr + full benefits, and given the chance to move up to $30/hr within 18 months. There is also a $100 bonus for being on time to your shift for 30 days. (...and tuition help and daycare, etc.)

Within 6 months, only about half of these young folk were still at work. Now, a year later, only about 50 are still working. Many fell to random drug testing, many more to absence and lateness. The job was far too arduous for many, and many could not follow written instructions, although high school graduates. This experience of mine is not unique. It has happened frequently in the last decade. As the 50's crowd retires from their 40 years of manufacturing, there is no one local to reliably replace them. It is one reason that illegal aliens have done so well.

There is of course, no essential difference between people of one generation and another. If anyone is to blame for the cultural condition of many of your generation, it is mine. The collapse of public education, for example, cannot be blamed on the students!

IMNSHO, What has happened with the collapse of the schools (and parental authority) is that we have allowed your generation to be shamelessly manipulated into a commercial culture in which you are not given the finest traditions of Western Christian Civilization to carry forward as a duty, but a base,ugly, and fundamentally silly set of characters to use as role models.

Ask 10 of your friends who is in their state's congressional delegation, who is the Superintendent of Schools where you live, and to find Iraq on a map.
The Challenge: your generation (a marvelous and somewhat fatuous generalization, I admit) has been intellectually short-changed. That is the fault of my generation. But the repair of that great deficit will have to be solved on an individual basis by those who wish to do so.

Of course, you can truthfully point out that "mature" folks have always been "down" on the younger generation. But today, we actually can see the country slipping away from our progeny. Of course it's our own damn fault, which drives many of us nuts. However, neither does it seem reasonable to us that the younger generation can save it. In fact, it seems to us that they are rather enjoying the slide downhill!

377 posted on 02/18/2004 11:23:19 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: A. Pole
Like the late ancient Rome did - by hiring the foreigners and extracting the tribute.

Please tell me you really did forget the sarcasm tag on this one!

378 posted on 02/18/2004 11:25:25 AM PST by navyblue
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To: Dataman
Pingo-Rama
379 posted on 02/18/2004 11:26:23 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: beaureguard
bump to an exceptional article.
380 posted on 02/18/2004 11:27:06 AM PST by Teacher317
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