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To: Carry_Okie
I agree with you about Newsome's actions. The word "outrageous" isn't strong enough; I don't even know a strong enough word. It capsizes the whole notion of rule of law, for starters.

What you suggest would have been fine with me.

Since I don't damn and hate Arnold no matter what he does, as you have done, I just don't assume that there is only one way (mine), and damn him for not doing it.

It may be a great long-term win for him to leave it on Lockyer's shoulders to do his job, and leave him standing out there refusing to do it.

Dan
44 posted on 02/18/2004 12:24:53 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr; Avoiding_Sulla
Since I don't damn and hate Arnold no matter what he does, as you have done,

Where? Show it. Else you have just damned yourself.

I just don't assume that there is only one way (mine), and damn him for not doing it.

No, you just assume that there is nothing Arnold could have legally done, and that therefore the criticism on this thread is illegitimate, thus:

So... how are the people who were jumping all over the Governor for NOT reponding (i.e. doing the AG's job) now going to tell us that this is an evil, terrible response?

Did I damn him? No. Did I call his response evil? No. I called it predictable because of what he owes to his patrons, a principal among whom IS GAY, Michael Huffington. I did infer that you and your ilk willfully mischaracterized him, just as you have done with me, here. Perhaps you should read up on what "false witness" means.

It may be a great long-term win for him to leave it on Lockyer's shoulders to do his job, and leave him standing out there refusing to do it.

You would allow this to stand, when you have the law invontrovertably on your side, in order to gain political advantage? Not only is that a morally reprehensible option, it is political insanity.

Unfortunately, I expected nothing less than an effort to make it "somebody else's problem" (Lockyer's), lest accountability for tough political choices come home to roost. Allowing this precedent to stand is not "faithfully executing the laws" per the governor's oath of office. Meanwhile, there will be "violated" gay couples, daily, screaming in the media, seeking to create the clamor by which to legitmize what Mr. Newsome has done. The louder and longer that noise goes on the harder it will be to quell. There is likely to be massive civil disobedience and damage to the lives and property of innocents. Arnold would get to look pretty harsh calling out the National Guard for that. The sad fact is that those "couples" were unwittingly more violated by the process Mr. Newsome has so venally initiated.

You would allow this, just to put Mr. Lockyer in the hot seat? He doesn't care. He'll make it Arnold's problem, by dragging his feet wailing about the equal protection of the rights of gay couples (as if couples had rights, which are necessarily individual). I expect nothing less than to see Arnold find a way to cave as a way to "restore order." He personally doesn't give a crap about gay marriage and has said so. Nor does he want the heat for making a tough decision.

No, something needs to be done about this, now.

46 posted on 02/18/2004 1:19:56 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly stupid.)
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