[tpaine]

Great quotes indeed..

-- It doesn't bother you that they are being used to bash libertarians who are FOR our individual liberties under constitutional law?

[hedgetrimmer]

I don't think libertarians are being bashed per se.

The point is, to have and to keep liberty, individuals must set limits on themselves and be responsible keepers of the trust the forefathers handed us.

That trust is based on the idea that men are basically good, and that they can be trusted to be moral and responible to the rest of society. The framework that men use that makes them virtuous, and trustworthy is a belief in the Creator which helps them to set natural limits, without coercion from the government or other people, to their individual behavior.

It may be the idea behind the post is even though the Constitution says you are free to do whatever you like, in order for a Constutional government to flourish, you must have a natural set of brakes you apply within yourself that restrains your behavior from harming others and from harming society. Beyond that, having the type of character that people would call moral or virtuous, is the ideal character for a citizen of a Constitutional Republic.