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To: LibertarianInExile
Let's compare the list with the Libertarian party platform. If you can't see anything similar then you are smoking too much crack.

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Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." Recall article 52 of the Soviet Constitution: "The church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state and the school from the church." (Article 52)

Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Compare the above list to some of the libertarian party's platform: -----------------------------------

the repeal of all laws regarding consensual sexual relations, including prostitution and solicitation, and the cessation of state oppression and harassment of homosexual men and women, that they, at last, be accorded their full rights as individuals;

the repeal of all laws regulating or prohibiting the possession, use, sale, production, or distribution of sexually explicit material, independent of "socially redeeming value" or compliance with "community standards";

We oppose any abridgment of the freedom of speech through government censorship, regulation or control of communications media, including, but not limited to, laws concerning: Obscenity, including "pornography", as we hold this to be an abridgment of liberty of expression despite claims that it instigates rape or assault, or demeans and slanders women;

We advocate a strict separation of church and State.

We condemn the attempts by parents... to force children to conform to any religious views.

13 posted on 02/17/2004 7:50:03 PM PST by johnmorris886
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To: johnmorris886; tpaine; gcruse
Let's compare the list with the Libertarian party platform. If you can't see anything similar then you are smoking too much crack.

OOH! LET'S! It will be SUCH fun! And of course you ignored my comments to your original post in your cute little rote response. Nice sticking to talking points, Mr. Daschle.

Let's start with the obvious problem with this comparison before we go there, though. If having the same beliefs in one area as the Liberals makes libertarians Communist, then since you have the same beliefs as libertarians, er, Communists (according to you) in other areas, and since anyone who has beliefs similar to a Communist must be (according to you) a Communist...

You must be a Communist. Oopsie. Sorry--your logic, not mine. Time to go buy yourself a hammer and sickle, Karl.

But let's go on to the REALLY fun stuff. Because I looked, and I see similar words, but not similar meanings at all for the most part. Some are obviously very close in wording--but most are quite different in meaning, and your spinning to get your own interpretation is obvious.

Here's a difference, for example:

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

Those aren't at all the same things as the libertarian party platform, which says that government should stop getting involved in those areas. You are saying that anyone that doesn't want the government fighting against all the things of which you personally disapprove is the same thing as having it support those things, which makes you either incredibly biased or stupid. You sound like a real closet liberal case, promoting government intervention where it's good for you and not looking at the possible repercussions down the line. So probably the latter, or a combination of both with a heavy tilt to the latter.

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." Recall article 52 of the Soviet Constitution: "The church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state and the school from the church." (Article 52)

We advocate a strict separation of church and State.

The latter is very different from 'Eliminating any prayer,' in that being against theocracy isn't the same as being against Christianity or religion or for Communism. But you knew that. You just toss that in because you love the idea of placing libertarians in the woodhouse with all the other negroes (though I'm sure you use another n-word in your head).

And in fact, you don't really care at all whether they are different in meaning or not. Your opinion on this was locked up from the getgo. You want people to think like you do, so demonizing the opposition is your objective here. Peachy. Call libertarians Commies or Liberals for thinking that people who don't believe in your religion shouldn't have to pay for the pet projects of religious backers of Jehovah or Jim Jones or whatever nutjob cult you are a member of. Enjoy drinking that koolaid, too.

But as you vilify and slander people like me, though, recognize that we have the right to do the same to you, and that we will and should do the same to you, because unlike libertarians, you WANT more government. You want the accretion of power that will ease the transition of a republic to a theocracy. Only you'll end up with an authoritarian dictatorship, probably ruled by someone who gives a lot of lip service to your self-styled 'Christian' ideals.

I imagine you'd be happier with that than the current political situation. Again, peachy. But most people disagree with you. And of those of us who do, some of us will remember forever the insults you lay out on the basis of your bigotry when others who are similarly bigoted run for office, and choose the other candidate. Maybe you should try a little less demonizing if you want to make your case and convert others to your cause instead of preaching to the choir.

And speaking of demonizing, since it's my turn, you are a Pharisitic parasite, sucking on the government teat for your preferred intervention into people's religion and crying about anything else that might take your tax dollars. You want to believe that Jesus turned water into grape juice, or told you that God hates fags, fine. Just don't expect me to subsidize you teaching that crap to other people, or take it lying down when you try cementing your creche in the courthouse. And don't expect me to care that people like YOU are unhappy with what stupid schools like Yale are doing, since it's obvious you'd be forcing them to do your preferred stupid thing if you could.

And that's what you're really mad about, Pharisee, that you aren't leading the mob. That you don't get to yell 'Crucify Him!' or 'Stone Him!' must be KILLING you.

20 posted on 02/18/2004 5:20:22 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (THIS TAGLINE VETTED BY THE TSA...it was sharp and had a point before they got to it.)
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