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Living the legacy of Pim Fortuyn
BBC ^ | February 17, 2004

Posted on 02/17/2004 11:06:55 AM PST by Shermy

The Dutch plans to forcibly remove tens of thousands of asylum seekers may sit ill at ease with Holland's long-standing reputation as a bastion of liberalism and laissez-faire attitudes.

But the expression "Normen en waarden" - norms and values - has become a catchphrase in the country, whose residents have in recent years expressed increasing unease with sharing their homeland with foreigners who they say do not subscribe to Dutch values.

The meteoric rise of the populist Pim Fortuyn - who campaigned on an anti-immigration, anti-Islam ticket prior to his assassination in 2002 - was widely interpreted as a wake-up call for Dutch politicians who had studiously avoided questions of immigration and integration.

The Netherlands was full, and those without permits should be deported, Mr Fortuyn declared.

His party achieved stunning election success after his death, and although in-fighting has since taken its toll, his politics - as Tuesday's vote makes clear - live on.

"It's probably fair to say that the Dutch have become less liberal," says Hans Wansing, a political commentator at the Dutch daily De Volkskrant.

"A lot of people feel we have been too tolerant over the years - hence the appeal of Pim Fortuyn when he started breaking taboos. The government is acting on that - what we are seeing is indeed his legacy."

Behind the plan

The clampdown on asylum seekers is seen as inextricably linked to a wider debate about multi-culturalism in the Netherlands - a policy which has of late been called into question.

A recent Dutch all-party parliamentary report concluded that efforts to create an integrated multi-ethnic society has failed, leaving first and second-generation immigrants alienated from mainstream Dutch life.

To those who oppose the plans to expel the 26,000 failed asylum seekers - many of whom have lived in the country for years and have worked hard to integrate - the deportations will only exacerbate this problem.

The Council of Churches for example has warned of "major tension in local communities that have adopted immigrants, where their children go to school and where numerous volunteers are involved in settling them in". Other pressure groups note that families will be torn apart, young people sent back to a country they barely know.

But while opinion polls do suggest a number of Dutch believe the plan to be draconian, the majority are behind the plan.

"I think it's the only way to stop things getting out of hand. I'm with the government on this," says Roy, a software consultant in the north-eastern town of Zwolle.

"The Netherlands must always be a place where those who are genuinely fleeing persecution can come, but it should not be a place for people who want to abuse the system and who have no interest in accepting their responsibilities, learning the language, trying to fit in."

European trend

While the Netherlands may be about to embark upon one of the largest deportations in modern European history - the country is not alone in questioning the merits of multi-culturalism and ongoing immigration.

New measures have been adopted in the UK and Germany to repatriate those whose claims to asylum on the grounds of persecution are rejected. Italy and France say they will not repeat the periodic amnesties which have been granted in the past to illegal immigrants.

Mainstream parties across Europe have been jolted into action by the gains made by anti-immigrant, populist parties in a string of elections.

While these parties - as Pim Fortuyn's movement illustrated - are rarely able to maintain a prolonged period in government, if they enter office at all - their policies are frequently absorbed by ruling parties.

Many human rights activists argue that politicians should not kowtow to demands for a clampdown, but politicians retort that, in a democracy, there are voters to consider.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; deportation; fortuyn; netherlands; pimfortuyn

1 posted on 02/17/2004 11:06:56 AM PST by Shermy
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To: knighthawk; chance33_98; seamole; aristeides; dighton; kattracks; JohnHuang2
Ping.
2 posted on 02/17/2004 11:09:38 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
I don't think it's really fair to change the rule in midstream. If the 26,000 have jobs, and speak Dutch, I would cut them some slack.

Future applicants will be deported before they learn Dutch and get jobs.
3 posted on 02/17/2004 11:09:39 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user
You're kidding - right?
4 posted on 02/17/2004 11:12:21 AM PST by 2banana
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To: proxy_user
I recall the "26,000" were rejected for asylum - even deportion orders made.


5 posted on 02/17/2004 11:12:31 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
but politicians retort that, in a democracy, there are voters to consider.

Gee, imagine that, the elites actually listening to the peasents.

Could the worm be turning in Europe?

6 posted on 02/17/2004 11:16:16 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Shermy
While the Netherlands may be about to embark upon one of the largest deportations in modern European history - the country is not alone in questioning the merits of multi-culturalism and ongoing immigration.

Immigration without assimilation leads to Balkanization.

Man, that almost sounds like it came of Johnnie Cochran's mouth...eww, I need a shower.

7 posted on 02/17/2004 11:18:07 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Shermy
For internal and external (rest of EU) consumption
8 posted on 02/17/2004 11:23:30 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Shermy
Bump
9 posted on 02/17/2004 11:30:02 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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To: Shermy
My guess is that Europe is built out and these folks can't run to the suburbs like Americans can. In this country we can inflict liberalism on others then skedaddle to the burbs or go to another state.
10 posted on 02/17/2004 11:35:32 AM PST by junta
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To: Shermy
But the expression "Normen en waarden" - norms and values - has become a catchphrase in the country, whose residents have in recent years expressed increasing unease with sharing their homeland with foreigners who they say do not subscribe to Dutch values.

Something just strikes me as odd, labored, about this sentence. "Residents?" Aren't the ones expressing unease actually "Citizens?" And what about "...with sharing their homeland with foreigners..." Just strikes me as strange. Why not say "...with the mass immigration of foreigners..."

And what about that sneering little "who say they do not subscribe to Dutch values" bit. The "who say" part makes it sound like this view is just an opinion. But, in this case, it is the opinion of the citizens themselves, who's opinion, it seems to me, constitutes the last word on what it means to "subscribe to Dutch values."

What if the sentence read like this:

But the expression "Normen en waarden" - norms and values - is heard more and more frequently in the country, whose citizens have in recent years expressed increasing unease with mass immigration to their country by foreigners who do subscribe to Dutch values.

Naaah. Doesn't push The Agenda. Delete it, and fire whoever wrote it.

(steely)

11 posted on 02/17/2004 11:46:02 AM PST by Steely Tom
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To: Shermy
Pigs are flying.
12 posted on 02/17/2004 12:56:27 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Shermy
Some Dutch people say the Muslims have adjusted to Holland quite well,,,,,,,,,,

They are the criminals

13 posted on 02/17/2004 3:43:40 PM PST by TYVets ("An armed society is a polite society." - Robert A. Heinlein & me)
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To: Shermy
Many human rights activists argue that politicians should not kowtow to demands for a clampdown, but politicians retort that, in a democracy, there are voters to consider.

Unless you're an American politician. You don't have to answer to anybody on immigration here. 200 million illegals a year is not enough for the President and Congress.

14 posted on 02/17/2004 4:09:17 PM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004 - Chaos)
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To: Shermy

This article is pure deception


15 posted on 11/02/2004 7:17:57 AM PST by Truth666
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16 posted on 11/02/2004 7:19:23 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Notice that there's not even one article that has the other KEY point, besides "Dutch filmmaker who criticized Islam" :

"Dutch filmmaker doing film on Pim Fortuyn"


17 posted on 11/02/2004 7:23:32 AM PST by Truth666
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