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To: Milligan
I know that Hanoi Jane made her radio announcement in Hanoi but how many times did she went on Hanoi radio to broadcast pro-communist/anti-american propaganda to our troops?

One time was too many. We were in a war.

Was she like Tokoyo Rose?

No. Tokyo Rose broadcast for an extended period of time, but from Japan. There was Hanoi Hannah, but she was a Vietnamese woman who was only good for a few laughs. Jane Fonda did most of her PR work back in the United States with the other anti-war organizers, including Kerry (Clinton was in England doing his part there, by the way).

Did you see any of her FTA shows?

I'm not sure what an "FTA show" is. In any case, Jane Fonda was looked at with nearly universal derision in the military as was the anti-war movement. In the years since, I have seen Fonda's picture prominently featured at strategic locations inside numerous urinals in nearly every major men's rest room in the US military. Her presence is ubiquitous - or was until I got out in 1998. And thoroughly enjoyed, I might add.

Now, the anti-war movement was the genuine Fifth Column in the USA and was a lot nastier than you would think by reading today's fawning press reports of their activities. I myself attended one huge anti-war demonstration in the Bay Area a few days after I got back in 1969. From personal experience I observed two types of people: 1. the dedicated minority who were the organizers and agitators and 2. the majority saps who were mostly bubble-headed college kids looking for a break from classes and some drugs plus street people. The students didn't have a clue how they were being exploited, nor did they seem to care. They were out for a good time, but some of them were serious as they didn't want to get drafted. The street people were more into it as they were in rebellion against everything, and besides there was sex, drugs, babes and rock 'n roll. Oh, plus they could trash things and usually get away with it.

A neighbor said he's voting for Kerry and he is a Vietnam Vet. He thinks Kerry was looking out for his fellow Veterans.

Your neighbor is in the distinct minority of vets although there are some. John Kerry was looking out for John Kerry.

He thought Kerry did the right thing after he got out of the Navy and became a anti-war protestor. He felt Kerry was protecting our troops lives by speaking up.

Put your neighbor in line with the sappy students, or maybe with Kerry. If he really thinks this way he is either a fool or a scoundrel. The anti-war people are the reason the war went on so long after 1969 and why our side ended up losing. Period.

The anti-war demonstations and organizations were part and parcel of Communist Liberation Front and KGB operations, funded by them and directed in large part by them (check out the KGB "Venona Intercepts" as well as numerous Congressional investigations at the time). Their purpose was to undermine domestic support for the war and get us out of Vietnam so the NVA could take over. We did get out but it was the political destruction of Richard Nixon followed by Congress cutting off military aid to the South Vietnamese that were the proximate causes of the horrendous defeat which followed. The anti-war movement did it's job by coopting the Liberals and Democrats in Congress and destroying Nixon so I guess they were eminently successful. Kerry was a key part of that movement in VVAW.

Someone had to do it because the war in Vietnam was mismanagement by our government and the war was going on too long.

The war was won on the battlefield until we left and Congress pulled the rug out from under the Vietnamese. With no bullets it was impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese Army, which was one tough and well equiped nut. It could have been won much earlier by America if MacNamara and Johnson (remember those Democrats?) hadn't completely f*cked it up in the years before Nixon.

He really admires this man's leadership.

I fear your friend doesn't know much about either "leadership" or character and doesn't care - unless he admires the Communist, anti-war kind.

It was the only way out and the American citizens needed to know what was really happening.

American citizens did know what was happening. Support for the war was strong throughout. Nixon won re-election in a landslide, mostly on the war issue, by 62-38% over George McGovern. It was the Left that eventually prevailed by getting Nixon removed from office and collapsing the war effort in a lopsided Democrat Congress.

Did Kerry save lives with anti-war protest?

No.

IMHO he cost a lot of American lives by prolonging the war. The NVA and NLF would have quit years earlier without our anti-war effort. They got the snot kicked out of them on every major battlefield in every theater. They were militarily, but not politically, beaten.

It's pretty hard talking reason to my neighbor. Why would a Vietnam Veteran support Kerry?.

Beats me, unless your neighbor is a fool. Even the military has it's share of these. In my humble opinion, your neighbor qualifies for that unfortunate description.

108 posted on 02/17/2004 5:03:13 PM PST by Gritty (I am not now, nor have I ever been, a card-carrying member of John F. Kerry's "Band of Brothers"!)
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To: Gritty
I guess you might call him a fool. I think he couldn't get his life together after his tour in Vietnam. He thinks Kerry is looking out for the little guys. A tour? Is that a year? He said Kerry did two tours in Vietnam and he volunteered for this.
135 posted on 02/17/2004 8:45:24 PM PST by Milligan (Kerry is Scary!)
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