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Police Chiefs Campaign to Fight Senate Bill That Would Protect Gun Dealers
NY Times ^ | February 16, 2004 | FOX BUTTERFIELD

Posted on 02/16/2004 9:23:38 AM PST by neverdem

A large number of police chiefs and other law enforcement officials have joined gun control advocates in a campaign to defeat a Senate bill that would grant gun makers and dealers almost total immunity from lawsuits.

The bill, which is strongly supported by the National Rifle Association, is scheduled for a Senate vote in early March but could come up for a vote even sooner. As many as 59 senators have signed on as sponsors, only one vote shy of the number needed to defeat any attempt at a filibuster. A similar bill passed easily in the House last fall.

The police officials' campaign began last week when Chief William J. Bratton of the Los Angeles Police Department held a news conference there denouncing the bill. Chief Bratton and 80 other police officials then signed a letter to the Senate expressing their opposition. At the same time, a full-page advertisement featuring a photograph of Chief Bratton and paid for by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence appeared in The Washington Post.

The advertisement is expected to appear soon in other major newspapers and on television, and Chief Bratton, the former New York City police commissioner, said he would go to Washington to lobby senators.

The campaign is supported by the Major Cities Chiefs Association, which represents the chiefs of police in the 50 largest cities.

"To give gun manufacturers and dealers immunity from lawsuits is crazy," Chief Bratton said in a telephone interview.

"If you give them immunity," he added, "what incentive do they have to make guns with safer designs, or what incentive do the handful of bad dealers have to follow the law when they sell guns?"

"This is not about doing away with guns, but about trying to ensure the safety of police officers and the American public," said Chief Bratton, who was police commissioner in New York City in the early 1990's when there was a sharp drop in homicides, as there was last year in Los Angeles under Chief Bratton.

But a spokesman for the N.R.A., Andrew Arulanandam, said most rank-and-file police officers supported the bill, and he dismissed Chief Bratton's criticism as ill informed.

"My response is, Chief Bratton ought to hire better lawyers," Mr. Arulanandam said.

Mr. Arulanandam said the bill "would not grant blanket immunity to every dealer and manufacturer," because in cases where a dealer or gun maker violated a state or federal law, a person could still sue.

Both Chief Bratton and lawyers familiar with the bill challenged Mr. Arulanandam's interpretation of the legislation, saying it does bestow immunity on the gun industry.

The wording is important, because the N.R.A. began pushing the bill to thwart lawsuits against the gun industry brought by nearly two dozen cities and counties. Of the 23 original lawsuits, 14 have been dismissed by courts, but 9 are pending, including suits in Cleveland; Chicago; Gary, Ind.; St. Louis; New York; Los Angeles; and San Francisco.

One lawsuit that could be jeopardized by the immunity bill has been brought by the families of eight of the people killed in the Washington-area sniper shootings. That suit, filed against Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, the gun shop in Tacoma, Wash., where the snipers' Bushmaster XM-15 rifle originated, and against the manufacturer, is scheduled for trial this fall.

According to an opinion written by Lloyd N. Cutler, a Washington lawyer who was just named by President Bush to the panel that will investigate intelligence failures before the war in Iraq, "The bill, if enacted, would require dismissal."

Mr. Cutler's opinion was sought by the Brady Campaign and a copy of it was provided to The New York Times.

Mr. Cutler said the bill would lead to dismissal of the suit because neither Bull's Eye nor Bushmaster violated a federal or state law in connection with the rifle, as would be required by the immunity bill. Although Bull's Eye was found by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to have lost 238 guns from its inventory, with no record of them being sold, the only evidence about how the snipers got the rifle was a statement by one, Lee Malvo, that he shoplifted the gun.

Both snipers, John A. Muhammad and Mr. Malvo, were prohibited by law from buying the gun — Mr. Muhammad because he was under a domestic restraining order and Mr. Malvo because he was a juvenile. But since there was no record the store sold them the gun, it cannot be charged with a violation of the gun laws, Mr. Cutler said.

Instead of charging the store with a legal violation, the lawsuit alleges negligence in the store's handling of its inventory, a claim made under common law doctrine, Mr. Cutler said. Yet negligence is not a violation of law, so the bill would force dismissal of the suit, he said.

Gil Kerlikowske, the police commissioner of Seattle, said he would go to lobby the Senate because his experience as a police officer had taught him that "civil lawsuits are the only way to ensure accountability" in the gun industry.

When he was police commissioner of Buffalo, Mr. Kerlikowske said, his officers found that most guns used in killings there came from a single store just outside the city limits. Data from the A.T.F. have shown that just 1 percent of dealers supply almost 60 percent of the guns recovered in crimes, Mr. Kerlikowske said, and this dealer was part of that tiny fraction of corrupt dealers.

Despite a decade of efforts, he said, the A.T.F. has been unable to shut that dealer down because of weak federal gun laws.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; War on Terror
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Bad news, just one vote shy.
1 posted on 02/16/2004 9:23:39 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
what incentive do the handful of bad dealers have to follow the law when they sell guns?

Um, because it's the law and will still be the law?

2 posted on 02/16/2004 9:26:20 AM PST by prion
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To: neverdem
If 59 Senators are already going to vote yes, it might be enough to pass even with an attempted filibuster. Remember, Kerry and Edwards (two sure NO votes) are busy running around the county and not participating in the Senate very much.
3 posted on 02/16/2004 9:27:09 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: neverdem
Chief Bratton said in a telephone interview...

"If you give them immunity," he added, "what incentive do they have to make guns with safer designs, or what incentive do the handful of bad dealers have to follow the law when they sell guns?"

We should ask "Chief" Bratton why he feels his department's guns are unsafe and what should be done to make them safer.

Additionally, the "Chief" wants to deny a good law from being passed due to a "handful" of bad apples. Deny the rights of the many due to the actions of a few.

Perhaps the LA papers should ask why this man is in charge of a dept where the officers can't safely handle their weapons and he can't bust crooked gun dealers.

4 posted on 02/16/2004 9:56:29 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Democrats want to ban sex with animals!)
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To: neverdem
a Senate bill that would grant gun makers and dealers almost total immunity from lawsuits.

No, immunity from frivolous lawsuits. If any given product works AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO, why should there be a lawsuit? Do victims of drunk drivers go after the mfr of the automobiles?

5 posted on 02/16/2004 10:04:47 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
what incentive do they have to make guns with safer designs

This has NOTHING to do with safety.

6 posted on 02/16/2004 10:06:13 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: *bang_list
Bang
7 posted on 02/16/2004 10:07:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"If you give them immunity," he added, "what incentive do they have to make guns with safer designs, or what incentive do the handful of bad dealers have to follow the law when they sell guns?"

I suppose he means other than the incentives associated with manufacturers being sued for defective design by injured customers, or dealers going to jail for violating state and federal laws regarding the sale of firearms.

Are police chiefs today really this stupid?

8 posted on 02/16/2004 10:08:47 AM PST by jscd3
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To: neverdem
I wonder... has anyone asked these Chiefs how they feel about the immunity granted police officers?
9 posted on 02/16/2004 10:35:58 AM PST by Grut
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To: jscd3
Bratton's no dummy, and apart from his anti-gun activities, he's doing a decent job at LAPD. I can't believe that he's doing this on his own initiative -- this has to be a "deal" or "arrangement" with Hahn and his allies on the council. LA is a moderate-to-liberal big city, with a long record of anti-gun activities.

It looks like this: Parks will run, (he's already raising money for this), but knows that he can't win. BUT, either Villaraigosa or Bob Hertzberger could make Hahn's life difficult if Parks can peel off the black vote during the general, and then throw support to Hahn's challenger during a runoff.

So, this is one little skirmish in what Hahn sees as a bigger battle. He's trying to shore up support with some key cohorts who would be natural support bases for either Hertzberger or Villaraigosa (Valley and Westside white liberals and women, and south-central and eastside women), both of whom hate and fear guns. By using Bratton, he avoids angering the middle-class white and Hispanic males in the Valley who LIKE their guns.

And before anyone gripes about my use of demographic cohorts, sorry, but that's the way that the Democrat machine thinks. You can't understand their (lamentably very successful) vote-gathering without looking at the world from their twisted perspective.
10 posted on 02/16/2004 11:00:46 AM PST by absalom01
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To: neverdem
or what incentive do the handful of bad dealers have to follow the law when they sell guns?"

Are the cops using lawsuits to enforce the law now?

11 posted on 02/16/2004 11:05:49 AM PST by paul51
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To: paul51
I'd suggest that Bratton stick with locking bad guys up and leave the political stuff alone. Isn't lobbying for bills or polititians from a government office illegal?

Mike

12 posted on 02/16/2004 11:12:58 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: Grut
Seems to me that should this bill not become law due to the opposition of these police chiefs, gun makers should refuse to sell their products to their departments.
13 posted on 02/16/2004 11:21:19 AM PST by kildak
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To: neverdem
So, Chief Bratton, you realize that if any manufacturer or dealer violates even one federal or state law, they are still subject to prosecution and/or litigation?

In other words, you want to be able to prosecute and/or litigate against people who have not broken any laws? Is that what you want?

14 posted on 02/16/2004 11:31:27 AM PST by Sender ("This is the most important election in the history of the world." -DU)
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To: *bang_list
This article is by the anti-gun liar Fox Butterfield. For some background on just how deceitful this author is on the subject of guns, be sure to read this article, Gray Gun Stories.
15 posted on 02/16/2004 12:03:48 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: neverdem
the A.T.F. have shown that just 1 percent of dealers supply almost 60 percent of the guns recovered in crimes

Anybody wanna bet the civil lawsuits will just be limited to these "1 percent" of miscreants?

16 posted on 02/16/2004 12:08:24 PM PST by Gritty ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"-Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem
Gil Kerlikowske, the police commissioner of Seattle, said he would go to lobby the Senate because his experience as a police officer had taught him that "civil lawsuits are the only way to ensure accountability" in the gun industry.

What a place in history we've come to when accountability for the individual is something that we don't even mention.

17 posted on 02/16/2004 12:25:48 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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To: neverdem
Chief Bratton is an idiot....

he should go back to NYC where Guiliani fired him.
18 posted on 02/16/2004 2:29:54 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: neverdem
Why are police chiefs in favor of gun control?

Because it keeps them employed.

Crime increases when gun control increases. Crime decreases when gun control decreases.

19 posted on 02/16/2004 2:35:05 PM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: neverdem
Funny, where is the story about Malvo coming into the United States illegally? Where is the story about him being arrested in Belligham? Where is the story about him being bailed out by a "immigrants rights" group and then not appearing in court, all directly prior to him stealing up this weapon?

That is four major violations right there!

If they had enforced existing laws, the DC sniper shootings would have never taken place!



>>>>the only evidence about how the snipers got the rifle was a statement by one, Lee Malvo, that he shoplifted the gun.
20 posted on 02/16/2004 2:36:02 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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