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Kerry Denounced U.S. as 'The Real Criminal' in Vietnam
NewsMax.com ^ | Feb. 15, 2004 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 02/15/2004 1:02:59 PM PST by Carl/NewsMax

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To: my right; Carl/NewsMax
I know I'm sounding like a broken record on this issue.

The Vietnamese American newspapers here in Northern Virginia are running front page stories about Kerry, complete with the above-the-fold Newsmax.com Kerry/Fonda photo. Some papers include more Fonda photos on the jump pages.

They are calling Kerry "phan boi" (traitor) and "mat con ngua" (horseface), among other things.

Aside from the reality that zero Vietnamese Americans have ever heard of these alleged atrocities against Vietnamese civilians, there is a great deal of contempt for Kerry's behavior in VVAW.

Did his actions hurt any South Vietnamese? Well, since his actions accelerated our chaotic withdrawl from VN, and caused the Congress to not provide the promised military aid post-1973, I think you can safely assert that Kerry is indirectly responsible for a great deal of pain in South Vietnam. Pain which extends to this very day.

21 posted on 02/15/2004 1:38:35 PM PST by angkor
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To: Carl/NewsMax
When you guys lift stuff from here, such as the Kerry Fonda photo:

John Kerry At Valley Forge (With Jane Fonda)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074369/posts

You do a disservice when you do not bother to report the information gathered along with it.

So what happened in the case of the Fonda photo is everybody (including Brit Hume) said, "so what? It's a picture of Kerry at some rally sitting behind Jane Fonda."

If you had included the information that was with the photo it would have had a lot more impact.
22 posted on 02/15/2004 1:47:36 PM PST by Hon
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To: Carl/NewsMax
If what Kerry said were true then that makes him a willing participant in the commission of a crime/crimes!I'm sure Kerry only went in the military to help him later in his political career.
24 posted on 02/15/2004 1:56:05 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Carl/NewsMax
You can be sure that there are numerous news buffs have a videotape of that Meet The Press show.
26 posted on 02/15/2004 2:01:09 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: angkor
What are the figures on viet vets support for Kerry. has this figure been poled? I keep hearing that Kerry has a strong vet approval but I haven't heard any pole numbers.
27 posted on 02/15/2004 2:05:48 PM PST by my right
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Maybe it's good the press is dragging its feet in reporting the facts about this.

Let the Dems get way, way out on Kerry's limb. then in September-------

28 posted on 02/15/2004 3:23:19 PM PST by cookcounty (John Kerry's done more to besmirch the reputation of VN vets than any other living American.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
The damning comment was unearthed by the Baltimore Sun, which reprinted Kerry's outburst in its Saturday edition exactly as quoted above...The Sun also obtained reactions from two of Kerry's Swift Boat mates in Vietnam, who told the paper they were deeply disturbed by his anti-war activities... Kerry crewman James Wasser said he was "absolutely upset" over his former commanding officer's claims that the U.S. committed wartime atrocities as a matter of course...Saying he recalled no such war crimes, Wasser said of Kerry, "I felt betrayed."...this story is beginning to bite and have legs, to mix a few metaphores....
29 posted on 02/15/2004 4:39:04 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: The_Media_never_lie
NBC is saving it 'til the Clintons give them the GO signal.
30 posted on 02/15/2004 4:50:13 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig ( I went to the gun show today and saw an Sharpton for President sticker on a truck. Seriously dude.)
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To: jmstein7
Kerry crewman James Wasser said he was "absolutely upset" over his former commanding officer's claims that the U.S. committed wartime atrocities as a matter of course.


Saying he recalled no such war crimes, Wasser said of Kerry, "I felt betrayed."


Shipmate Bill Zaladonis was also offended by Kerry's claims. "I didn't like the idea [of Kerry condemning his fellow servicemen]," he told the Sun.


"I certainly didn't believe that all Vietnam veterans were baby-killing women rapers. Most people I know agree with me - they didn't see it."

Many returned from Vietnam disillusioned by the war. In some cases we let our feelings be known. We didn’t call those still fighting rapists, baby-killers, or accuse them of committing daily atrocities and war crimes. They were our friends, comrades, and fellow soldiers. He who made these references for his own self-serving interests must never be forgiven.


31 posted on 02/15/2004 4:59:01 PM PST by satan
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To: hotpotato
So how come Kerry was never brought up on war crimes charges?

He's made a confession. Is there a statute of limitations?

32 posted on 02/15/2004 7:54:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: Hon
Hon has this been posted?

http://www.counterpunch.org/willson1015.html

October 15, 2002

An Open Letter to Sen. John Kerry on Iraq
by BRIAN WILLSON

Dear John,

It has been a long time since we have had contact. As you might remember our very first meeting was at VVAW's Dewey Canyon III, "A Limited Incursion Into the Country of Congress," April 19-23, 1971, in Washington, D.C. I'm sure you remember asking the Senate that week in an impassioned speech, "How do you ask a man to die for a mistake?" You also stressed the importance of being "totally nonviolent."

Our second and many subsequent meetings occurred in Massachusetts after you were elected Lt. Governor, 1982-84, while I was active in veteran's issues in Western MA. As director of a veterans outreach center in Greenfield, and the Western Massachusetts Agent Orange Information Project, I served on the Massachusetts Agent Orange Task Force under Governor Dukakis' veterans commissioner and your office as Lt. Governor. I subsequently also served on Dukakis' homeless veterans task force.

When you decided to run for the Senate in 1984 against Ray Shamie, a wealthy businessman, remember that I loyally supported your campaign as one of the dozen or so Vietnam veterans the press called Kerry's Commandos, you called "Doghunters." We accompanied you throughout the state, and fended off right wing criticism from folks such as General George Patton III, who accused you of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" for your earlier VVAW activities. I'm sure you remember with fondness that critical time that launched you into national office. Your lawyer brother, Cameron, concluded that it was the veterans' support that pulled your first campaign out of a nose dive and created the necessary "galvanizing energy."

Your critics had suspected that your activities, both in the war, and in years following, were prompted, at least in part, to an intense political ambition, even as you addressed your Yale law school graduating class with an anti-Vietnam War speech shortly prior to enlisting in the U.S. Navy. Your career in the Senate has revealed your all consuming ambition, but that is quite typical of politicians.

The first hint of a bit of disconnect in your style was when during your first Senate campaign you denied returning your war medals, with a thousand other veterans, in protest of the war during Dewey Canyon III. That was a bit of a shock, since for most veterans who returned their medals in that emotional ceremony on Friday, April 23, 1971, it was a very proud and healing moment. Your 1984 campaign response: You had returned the medals of a WWII acquaintance at his direction. All those 13 years everyone thought you had had the courage and leadership to return medals that to veterans who returned them represented medals of dishonor drenched in the blood of innocent Vietnamese who did not deserve to die for a lie, any more than our fellow US Americans. I guess you knew then that you were to be running for office.

The second hint occurred at the celebration party you organized for us "doghunters" at your friend John Martilla's Beacon Hill house in Boston in late June 1985, 6 months into your term as a junior Senator. In the wee hours of the morning, you made two comments that troubled me: (1) you stressed your initials as "JFK" that would help you one day in your quest for the White House, and (2) that after War Department briefings (and perhaps CIA as well) about the need for funding and training contra terrorists in Afghanistan and Nicaragua you had a new appreciation for their importance in furthering U.S. policies. That did not mean that you necesaarily voted for Contra aid but that once in power, information becomes part of an elite circle preempting genuine democracy. I had driven in from Greenfield for that celebration party, and after those remarks I immediately left the party and drove the two hours home. I never forgot it, obviously.

In late September 1986, you, along with some other Senators and Representatives, reluctantly supported the four veterans (myself being one of them) participating in the open-ended Veterans Fast For Life (VFFL) on the east steps of the Capitol building, protesting aid to the Contras. During that fast one of your fellow Senators, Warren Rudman (R-NH), stated in October 1986 that our "actions are hardly different than those of the terrorists who are holding our hostages in Beirut." Shortly thereafter, both our VFFL offices and separate housing accommodations were broken into with many files of our activities and addresses of supporters taken. The FBI initiated a "domestic terrorist" investigation of the members of the VFFL which was revealed later when an FBI agent refused to comply and was fired after nearly 22 years service in the agency.

In September 1987, as you remember, I was severely assaulted by a US weapons train in Concord, CA, during a peaceful protest of a Pentagon munitions train moving lethal weapons to Central America, suffering permanent injuries. Later it was revealed that they suspected me of planning to "hijack" the train, and had accelerated the train 12 miles above the legal speed limit of 5 mph rather than stopping and awaiting police arrest.

Such is life. Contra "terrorists" in Nicaragua called freedom fighters by US presidents, while nonviolent protestors of terrorist policies are labelled the "terrorists" to be investigated. Then look what happened with our terrorists, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. Now the Congress is giving the resident of the White House virtual carte blanche authority to launch pre-emptive strikes against more evil lurking beyond our borders. It is a no-brainer to many outside the beltway that we are really experts at knowing how to create rage, then revenge, with our policies of aggression and arrogance.

In the life of being a Senator, John, I'm afraid that your career again proves that power corrupts (and blinds), and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Of course you have many friends in the same camp. With your vote for essentially agreeing with the selected resident of the White House's request for incredible authority in advance to wage wars against whomever he wants, you have contributed to finalizing the last of the world's empires, and the likely consequent doom of international law, peaceful existence, and hope for the future possibilities of Homo sapiens. Of course, it also means that searching for the motivations of other people's rage and desperate acts of revenge will be overlooked, dooming us to far more threats and instability then if we had seriously pursued a single-standard in the application of international law equally with all nations in the first place. We are too much of a bully to do that, and have stated over and over again that the American Way Of Life is not negotiable. Can you understand that this means species suicide?

I'm sorry and terribly fearful for this state we are in. Your vote is terribly misguided, John. Now that veterans have reorganized throughout the nation as once again an important part of the growing movement, know that we shall work hard for your defeat, whether as a Presidential candidate or for another Senate term.

Sincerely,

S. Brian Willson
Arcata, California
Veterans For Peace

Email:bw@brianwillson.com

33 posted on 02/15/2004 8:44:22 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Kerry Denounced U.S. as 'The Real Criminal' in Vietnam

It is hard for me to imagine, despite the tumultuous times of the Vietnam Era, that the voters would ever elect a man who has spoken such dreadful words as this.

34 posted on 02/15/2004 8:45:37 PM PST by montag813
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To: Hon
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

The Airborne Combat Engineer site has a message forum

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2004/01/whats_the_true_.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/22/wbr.profile.kerry/ I threw some medals back that belonged to some folks who asked me to throw them back for them," Kerry said in April, 2001.

Even a fellow attendee of the APR 71 protest and continued dove, one Brian Wilson, chastised Kerry:

The first hint of a bit of disconnect in your style was when during your first Senate campaign you denied returning your war medals, with a thousand other veterans, in protest of the war during Dewey Canyon III. That was a bit of a shock, since for most veterans who returned their medals in that emotional ceremony on Friday, April 23, 1971, it was a very proud and healing moment. Your 1984 campaign response: You had returned the medals of a WWII acquaintance at his direction. All those 13 years everyone thought you had had the courage and leadership to return medals that to veterans who returned them represented medals of dishonor drenched in the blood of innocent Vietnamese who did not deserve to die for a lie, any more than our fellow US Americans. I guess you knew then that you were to be running for office.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/kerry.htm

35 posted on 02/15/2004 8:49:30 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: angkor
...and caused the Congress to not provide the promised military aid post-1973

And in 2003 voted against additional funding for the war in Iraq.

A real patriot, I tell ya. /sarcasm

36 posted on 02/15/2004 9:06:41 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: hotpotato
So how come Kerry was never brought up on war crimes charges?

The Naval Investigative Service examined Kerry's charges and were unable to substantiate them. This is in Gunther Lewy's America in Vietnam.

The NIS determined that most of the VVAW activists were not Vietnam veterans, and most of their claims were fabricated.

However, the help that Kerry gave to the NVA, under whose flag he proudly marched while proclaiming his "shame" at being an American veteran, that was real.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

37 posted on 02/15/2004 9:54:01 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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