Dispel the "Kerry as-War-Hero" Myth Right Now! (CLICK HERE)

various | 2-14-04

[PhilDragoo]

Thanks for the numbers. Called all three.

More coverage of what Kerry did in 1971 with Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

More coverage of General Giap crediting Kerry as key to the Communist victory.

More coverage of Kerry suppressing investigation into our missing POWs in 1993 so that his cousin Forbes could make hundreds of millions on exclusive real estate contracts in Vietnam.

Less glossing over Kerry as some kind of "war hero".

[Enterprise]

I am talking about NAVY Warrant Officers. And in the NAVY, they DO rank below Ensign!

[U S Army EOD]

Not in their mind they don't. Maybe we are talking about clout not rank.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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'JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets'

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Vet-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
(IA DRANG-1965 Photos)

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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'KERRY will weaken our military'

...Ever since the Vietnam War, JOHN KERRY has worked hard to weaken our military and intelligence capacities that protect us, while he once called us Vietnam veterans terrorists.

...A President KERRY would do the same. =


...Ronnie Guyer, published Letter to the Editor, Orange County Register Saturday 2-14-2004

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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What do you think makes an American Hero..? Share with us at:


http://www.ModernDayHeroes.com


See: Give us your definition of an "American Hero"

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[Doctor Raoul]

. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people.

Nobody on a Swift boat carries an M-16?

[Doc On The Bay]

As My Dad Told me-- "Purple Hearts (he had a Couple)" are Largely "a Joke!!"--& "Battle Awards" are MOSTLY at the discretion of the "Commanders in the Field."

If "JAWN" earned his "Battlefield Commondations,"--SO BE IT!!

The "Medals Say," that He was Either "Brave or Stupid & Lucky!!"

"America" Chooses to believe that "JAWN" was "Brave & Intelligent;"--"History" may say "Jawn" was Neither "Brave nor Worthy of a 'Medal!'"

Assuming "Jawn" earned his "Stars;" his Actions AFTER his service were UTTERLY DETRIMENTAL to his fellow Soldiers Still "In Battle."

In His "Memoires", General GIAP SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS John Kerry's "Movement" as a Reason Why Hanoi Refused to Surrender to us;--He says that the American "Anti-War Protesters" gave the North Vietnamese the courage to resist American Peace proposals.

In Short, John Kerry's Anti-war Movement was--Ultimately--responsible for the Slaughter of Several Million People.

& this "Jerk-Weed" want's to be our next President!!

"SIGH!"

Doc

[Doctor Raoul]

John Kerry was and still is a lying sack of shit.

See http://pcf45.com/boat_tour/boat_spec/boatspec.html and look for:

Various crew member weapons included: M-79 grenade launchers, M-16 rifles, a 12 gauge Ithaca riot gun, .45 caliber pistols, various types of hand grenades (fragmentation, concussion, thermite and red, yellow and green smoke), and a Very Pistol Flare Gun.

Yeah John, you self confessed war criminal, running dog impreialist, Fonda panty sniffing anti-war activist, Senate Committee witness, you only had 50 caliber weapons to use against people.

[Just mythoughts]

Remember what the liberals did when the tobacco guys "lied" to them?

Maybe JFKerry wasn't under oath when he lied.

We should ask C-SPAM to replay this hearing.

[FormerACLUmember]

If the RPG was less than ten feet from his boat it should not have armed itself. Kerry's boat had a five foot draft, how did he get so close to shore?

Excellent question from someone in a position to know.

I have no answer, except to note that Kerry himself wrote the incident report, on which basis he was awarded a medal.

I dunno, could perhaps Kerry be a dishonest person?

[Revolutionary]

Kerry knew that 3 purple hearts would get him out of the war early. Check out the citation submittals. He wrote one up on himself about once a month. Right after the 3rd one he asked to leave early; citing the regulation about being wounded three times. He was already "buddies" with Ted and the other Kennedy's when he went over. He was very anti-war before he went to Vietnam and planned to spend just enough time to turn himself into a JFK look alike (boat and all).

Let's see the scars (if there are any)!

[dsc]

"Tell some of the WO's I know that they rank below 2LT or Enswines."

Careful. Some of those guys can kill a man at ten paces with nothing but a contemptuous lift of an eyebrow.

[dsc]

The scary thing to me is the closed-minded determination of many to believe ill of Bush.

I have a cow-orker who bought lock, stock, and barrel into every slur against Bush. When I explained, based on my 25 years of active and reserve service, why the allegations about his reserve service were groundless, this guy--20 years younger than me and with no service--called me "naive."

I'm sure he will glom onto this bogus story about cleaning up Bush's record and believe it like Gospel--even after I tell him about microfiche records and that no records were ever held at the museum.

For him, and I'm sure there must be millions like him, the liberal line is the default, "moderate, balanced" position, and everything else is "right-wing ranting." For him, the civil expression of positions with which he disagrees is "offensive" and wrongful. And he really thinks he's reacting to the "lack of civility" and not the idea ideas themselves.

Trying to talk with this guy is like trying to reason with some malign Stepford wife created by Stalin. No matter how restrained one is, how careful one is to avoid inflammatory language, he becomes increasingly abusive with every fact presented, wraps up by calling me "arrogant" and my arguments "surreal," and holds to his original positions as though no arguments against them had been brought to his attention.

This is a classic example of the third type of tyranny described by Bloom in "The Closing of the American Mind," and it is frightening. The school system is catching our young when they are malleable, and turning them into their own jailers by teaching them, "This position is by definition is open minded; all other positions are by definition closed minded, and are to be rejected without further consideration. The mere expression of these positions is proof of intellectual and moral deficiency, and is wrongful and offensive." Such people cannot be reasoned with.

[AgThorn]

Great idea ... I sent it, and I also sent it via email to every news email address you gave me, bcc'ing each of them. Thanks for the idea. I slightly modified the letter

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Why does the Media like to propagate a myth? A person cannot be both a War Hero and a War Criminal. John Kerry is not a War Hero, as he, himself, has admitted that he committed war crimes.

On Meet the Press on May 6, 2001, Tim Russert played John Kerry an audio tape from April 18, 1971, where Kerry was asked whether he committed war crimes in Vietnam. Kerry’s response, on the 1971 tape, was:

I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions. . .

Can a 'hero' fireman, after later getting caught as an arsenist still be considered a 'hero'? No.

Therefore, having admitted to committing war crimes, it is disingenuous for Kerry to now claim the mantle of “Hero.” It is even more disingenuous for the media to keep perpetuating the “Hero” myth.

Lastly, hypocricy is something that he is also guilty of. Trying to play both the 'anti-Vietnam' group and the potential war-hero future benefits, John Kerry threw 'someone elses' medals over the White House wall. He never revealed this to the Vietnam Vet's he was with till many many years later when it was time to play the other card.

Sorry, war criminals that are also hypocrites are NOT what we need leading this country.

[lilylangtree]

Done. However, I'm getting a lot of the email returned with the note that it can't be delivered. However, I tried! Thanks for the heads up.

[El Gato]

As a high-ranking (LT jg) officer, he knew that

Yes he knew that, but I'd hardly call a Lt. jg (O-2 same as 1st Lt. in the other services) "high ranking", even the old cat here made O-3, and I assure you I never felt "high ranking".

[FBD]

"Kerry's boat had a five foot draft, how did he get so close to shore?"

It's pretty easy to beach a boat, if the river bank is fairly steep. All you do is charge the shore, create a wave, back off on the throttle, then follow the wave into shore.

Kerry's buddies on the boat seem to verify the story. This article (linked below)has a pretty good accounting of the event. It's not flattering, considering it's coming from the Boston Globe, especially the detailing of Kerry killing some civillians, and some friendlies, in a free-fire zone:

Ambush in the Mekong Delta

[FBD]

From that article, link on #118:

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..."Short had joined Kerry's crew just two weeks earlier, as a last-minute replacement, and he was as green as the Arkansas grass of his home. He said he didn't realize that he should have carried an M-16 rifle, figuring the tub's machine guns would be enough. But as Kerry stood face to face with the guerrilla carrying the rocket, Short realized his predicament. With the boat beached and the bow tilted up, a guard rail prevented him from taking aim at the enemy. For a terrifying moment, the guerrilla looked straight at Short with the rocket.

Short believes the guerrilla didn't fire because he was too close and needed to be a suitable distance to hit the boat squarely and avoid ricochet debris. Short tried to protect his skipper.

"I laid in fire with the twin .50s, and he got behind a hootch," recalled Short. "I laid 50 rounds in there, and Mr. Kerry went in. Rounds were coming everywhere. We were getting fire from both sides of the river. It was a canal. We were receiving fire from the opposite bank, also, and there was no way I could bring my guns to bear on that."

[ThePythonicCow]

DO NOT let the press get away with writing this off as Republican dirty tricks.

Yeah. I suspect it is actually Hitlary getting a three for one:

1. take down Kerry, so that there is a brokered convention (allowing her to run in 2004 without being in the primaries)
2. hide this hit job, behind the smoke screen of blaming the VWRC, and
3. amp up the dirty politics level in general, because that favors her in the general election - by confusing legitimate attacks on her from the Republicans.

The nastier the food fight, the better it is for Hitlary. The undecides will just tune it all out and not know what to believe. Exposing the enormous record of bad things Hitlary has done and stands for will be decried as dirty politics by the left, tuned out by the weary undecideds, and be just preaching to the choir on the right.