Such is the seismic shift in the political landscape that even left-wing politicians often support ?the new politics?. When a government commission declared last month that multiculturalism in the Netherlands had been a failure despite some successes, it was condemned from Left and Right for being too positive. Sounds like a tipping point to me. Interesting. I wonder how long it will take for things to reach this point here in the UK...
1 posted on
02/14/2004 6:37:01 AM PST by
alnitak
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To: Night Hawk
ping
2 posted on
02/14/2004 6:38:47 AM PST by
Tijeras_Slim
(Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
To: alnitak
The tide is turning!!!!
3 posted on
02/14/2004 6:40:20 AM PST by
Coroner
To: alnitak
Holland
*enter on long list of failed socialist experiments
4 posted on
02/14/2004 6:44:11 AM PST by
EternalVigilance
(An income tax is like a cowpie...Flatten it, and it's still a cowpie...)
To: alnitak
"It now has the toughest immigration laws in Europe, and has been adopting powerful law-and-order policies. A compulsory ID card is being introduced for everyone over the age of 12. Cannabis cafés are being closed by the hundreds. Prostitutes are being cleared off the streets, the generous benefits system severely curtailed, and even free contraception has been abolished for everyone except teenagers. Longer sentences mean prisons are so full that for the first time inmates are being forced to share cells."
It seems the Dutch have relocated their former ability to be ruthless. GOOD FOR THEM! This is the best news I've read since we drugged Sadam out of his hole. Fortuyn didn't die in vain.
Let these Iranians, etc. go back to their homelands and make those nations better, instead of ruining their adopted lands.
Holland is small, the US is big, I wonder if we can learn from them. The big difference I think is that we always had an underclass, in Holland they foolishly imported one from abroad, just in time to support them all with socialism. At least they have finally woken up and smelled the tulips on this one.
5 posted on
02/14/2004 6:46:54 AM PST by
jocon307
(The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
To: alnitak
Random thoughts... I think there ought to be some compassion for people who legitimately fear for their life in their home country, but they should still integrate into their adopted country and apply for citizenship.
Those who fall into the above category are a very, very miniscule pecentage of immigrants.
Europe, as well as the US, needs to regain firm control over immigration. Officials in both have looked the other way for too long. Illegal immigration is now seen as impossible to contain, and deporting illegals is seen as heartless.
6 posted on
02/14/2004 6:48:14 AM PST by
tdadams
To: alnitak
Now, because of the socialism, it has become full of social, ethnic and political problems.? That's worth repeating.
To: alnitak
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How can you do this to a human being? It is not democracy,? said Talin. "Wrong. A pure democracy (rule of the mob) has NO protections for those in the minority.
10 posted on
02/14/2004 6:53:03 AM PST by
drc43
To: alnitak
I was talking with a Dutch fellow while overseas recently. His anti-Islamic fervor was surprising, and he was 100 percent supportive of the American WOT, saying (to paraphrase) that the jihadis "should all be killed."
He was a little less supportive of the war in Iraq, though not entirely against it.
13 posted on
02/14/2004 7:00:29 AM PST by
angkor
To: alnitak
I just find it slightly amusing that they are calling Pym Fortune - a very gay, very leftist politician - a "right winger" or "conservative" simply because he dared point out an obvious problem.
15 posted on
02/14/2004 7:06:28 AM PST by
King Prout
(I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
To: alnitak
They grew up with freedom of thought and speech. They could not go back to Iran, they would be arrested for having bad thoughts.? I slipped on the pool of tears that accumulated at my feet and hurt any compassion I might have had for these people.
Get up off your ass and change your country if you don't like it.
16 posted on
02/14/2004 7:08:23 AM PST by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: alnitak
Diversity is a disaster. The liberofascists here in the U.S. use diversity to create multiple protected classes for class warfare politics. Will we learn from the Dutch experience?
To: alnitak
...the Government is planning to demand that any non-EU immigrants learn Dutch before being allowed to enter. Not a bad idea--and one that is going to minimize the number of immigrants, since Dutch is a notoriously difficult language to learn! In order to pronounce it properly you must first stick a herring down your throat and choke on it. I don't see these Muslim immigrants tackling that; where, anyway, would they find someone to teach them Dutch in advance of going to the Netherlands?
Good for the Dutch. I love the country but for years have been disgusted with the left-wing views of the Dutch people and government. Looks like they've begun to change their collective mind.
20 posted on
02/14/2004 7:12:57 AM PST by
Capriole
(Foi vainquera)
To: alnitak
Welfare recipients, however long they have been in the country, will now have their benefits cut if they do not learn Dutch. New immigrants have to learn Dutch within a year of arriving It sounds like the Netherlands might go from being the nation FReepers love to hate, to the nation they'll wish to emulate.
They are wise to deal with this now, before the veiled threats of Islamic restlessness are merely threats.
21 posted on
02/14/2004 7:16:25 AM PST by
tdadams
To: alnitak
"Pieter, a young Dutch vegetable seller, said: ?This used to be a rich country with no social problems and no crime. Now, because of the socialism, it has become full of social, ethnic and political problems.? "
Socialism at it's root is a spiritual sin that denies the existence of the one true creator God and His Holy Child Jesus Christ. It corrupts and defiles human beings by trying to replace the worship and love of God with government as the guide of human affairs which, at it's best, is totally inadequate to solve the problems of sinful and helpless humanity.
Jesus Christ is the answer to all world problems and one must read the book He is the author of (the writers were inspired by God's Holy Spirit) to understand the problems and the cure for mankind's sorrows and death. Liberalism is a downhill slide,the Dutch are beginning to see that it is at heart fascism that will turn into either communism or nazism, whose ally is insufferable Islam,and whose intent is the same as Hitler or Stalin and destroys mankind's hope and lives; the power behind socialism is a fallen angel that hates God and Christ and mankind, his name is Satan, and he destroys mankind whenever he is able to deceive them, liberalism is contrary to all the Ten commandments of God and that is why liberals are ignorant servants of the fallen Lucifer.
23 posted on
02/14/2004 7:20:06 AM PST by
wgeorge2001
(Pr. 8:36 36. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death)
To: alnitak
"People are fed up with crime, fed up with the influx of immigrants."
I hear THAT!!!! Same thing here in USA. Illegal immigrants cause a lot of our crime.... Didn't Rush say about 30%????
25 posted on
02/14/2004 7:24:54 AM PST by
buffyt
(We must never use the UN as a substitute for clear and resolute US policy. B. Goldwater)
To: alnitak
I am very envious of their ability to send back the children of illegals as WELL as the parents. If we could send back all the illegal Mexican "anchor babies", our immmigration problems would be cut in half. It is only through a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment that these children are wrongly granted American citizenship.
To: knighthawk
Bump
28 posted on
02/14/2004 7:27:49 AM PST by
Incorrigible
(immanentizing the eschaton)
To: alnitak
The French still haven't a clue, they're still at the tipsy point.
To: alnitak
Will the European Union allow Holland to do this? I thought the EU had control over countries' immigration policies, and insisted they accommodate all the immigrants that had come to each EU country.
33 posted on
02/14/2004 7:29:24 AM PST by
swampfox98
(Beyond 2004 - Chaos)
To: alnitak
The most important word in the article, "taboo" proof that liberalism is nothing but primitive superstition.
35 posted on
02/14/2004 7:40:28 AM PST by
junta
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