[mass55th]

Your posting shows that they were planning on starting their crap in early 2003, before the war even started, and right around the time of the President's SOTU speech. And when their plans went awry and they discovered the people here supported the President overwhelmingly on going into Iraq, they must have decided then, that they would start a campaign to try to turn the people against the way Bush handled the war's aftermath. It will be interesting to see if there is anything about any of this in those computer memos that Frist's aide (Miranda) discovered.

[Fedora]

> Your posting shows that they were planning on starting their crap in early 2003, before the war even started, and right around the time of the President's SOTU speech. And when their plans went awry and they discovered the people here supported the President overwhelmingly on going into Iraq, they must have decided then, that they would start a campaign to try to turn the people against the way Bush handled the war's aftermath. It will be interesting to see if there is anything about any of this in those computer memos that Frist's aide (Miranda) discovered.

What you say makes sense. It'd also be interesting if there's anything about it in files recovered from Saddam Hussein's regime or from Al Qaeda arrests. If the Democrats had a contingency plan for what to do in case the war effort went forward despite the UN, by a similar line of thought it'd make sense Saddam and Al Qaeda had contingency plans as well. I recall that Saddam expressed a desire to turn Iraq into another Vietnam "quagmire", and I think I've also seen articles about a recovered file describing Al Qaeda collaborating with him on this. This reminds me of Peter Arnett (then working for "National Geographic" under NBC/MSNBC; and after they fired him wasn't he immediately hired by some left-wing paper in another country?) going over there a few days into the war and announcing, "Clearly, the war plan has failed. . ." Was that a contingency Plan B hatched between Iraq and the antiwar movement: in case the effort to stop the war in the UN Security Council fails, then turn Iraq into a quagmire? Is what we're seeing now with the attack on Bush's Iraq intelligence a later phase of the same plan? The more I think about it, the more this seems like the Democrats replaying the strategy they used to undermine the Vietnam War during the Nixon administration.