To: Dr. Frank fan
Thank you for your post which is supportive.
I am not certain that Jesus ever claimed to be a "ben-Elohim" [son of the Celestials]... much LESS "ben-YHWH" [son of the G-d of Israel].
He DID obviously refer to himself as the "ben-h'adam" [son of Man, or 'son of the Earthling'] who is mentioned in Daniel 7 and elsewhere, a code-word for the Messiah and a term widely used in Essene literature to mean the Messiah.
Since it was a crime to claim to be the Messiah, he was here getting around that by (literally) claiming to be no more than "an earthling."! --
It was also outlawed to be a Nazarene. He got around that by several clever puns and gematrial constructions that would let Hebrew speakers know he was one, but which would seem innocuous or nonsense if translated into Greek, such as his famous "where the carcass is, there will the vultures be gathered together." statement. Punny, clever, gematrial.
39 posted on
02/13/2004 1:00:38 PM PST by
Chris Talk
(What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
To: Chris Talk
Interesting, thanks for the clarification re "son of God".
I had read somewhere once that (what is translated as) "son of man" was, in the original Aramaic, a kind of circumlocution which just meant "I" or "me" - somewhat akin to someone saying, today, "yours truly" or something like that. I don't know what's the truth and am still pretty ignorant but am always curious. :) best,
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