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To: Dr. Frank fan
That's a lie. It is not true that the 1/4 of humanity you refer to (=all Christians) has been taught that since they were very young. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

P.S. Oh and by the way, not only can't you substantiate this, but it is vile slander. Ironically, while Mel Gibson isn't accusing "The Jews" of anything, here you are actually accusing "The Christians" of something.

I have more of an idea of what I talking about than you would like to believe.

I AM willing to admit that things are different now than, say, 50 or 100 years ago - we do, after all, live in a generally more tolerant age. As such, I withdraw the inference that 1/4 of humanity is presently taught, as part of their official religious education, the notion that "the Jews killed/murdered Jesus."

However, you would do yourself and the concept of reasoned debate a great favor by reading a book written by a now deceased Catholic priest on anti-Semitism: The Anguish of the Jews by Edward H. Flannery. In it he details the anti-Jewish teachings of the Catholic Church (and, to a lesser degree, many Protestant denominations) over the course of more than 1,500 years, as well as how many people who were and are venerated as saints were vile (to use your word) anti-Semites. My point (and his) is that such teachings don't go away so easily, that they are passed down from generation to generation even long after they cease to be official doctrine. Flannery - again, a Catholic priest, concludes that while the Holocaust was not caused by the Catholic Church, it would have been impossible for it to have occurred in the absence of the teachings of the Church over many centuries.

Until you recognize that what Flannery (among others-check out the bibliography of his book) wrote is true, and attempt to understand why such a phenomenon still affects the attitude of Jews, discussion between us on this matter is rather pointless. However, if after you have read his book or a similar one by another author, you are willing to discuss this issue in a reasonable manner, I will be very happy to do so in any forum you choose.

136 posted on 02/16/2004 7:37:53 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
I withdraw the inference that 1/4 of humanity is presently taught, as part of their official religious education, the notion that "the Jews killed/murdered Jesus."

Fair enough. This is precisely what was under dispute.

the anti-Jewish teachings of the Catholic Church (and, to a lesser degree, many Protestant denominations) over the course of more than 1,500 years

But this was never under dispute. If this is all you had said, I wouldn't have argued.

Until you recognize that what Flannery (among others-check out the bibliography of his book) wrote is true,

But I do and always did.

Again, since there seems to be confusion, I was only disputing your actual assertion, that some "1/4 of humanity" (a reference to essentially, "all Christians") have been taught since very young that "The Jews" "killed Jesus". Your exact phrasing was, "On the other side you have about 1/4 of humanity who've been taught since...". Note the use of the present tense "have" (not "had"); this seemed to imply that you were talking about the current state of affairs (as opposed to historical).

As you have since withdrawn that aspect of the assertion, we have no further argument. I might add that when accusing others (such as Mel Gibson) of slandering an entire people, one might do well to choose their words more carefully to avoid even the appearance of doing the same. Best,

142 posted on 02/16/2004 8:37:11 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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