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To: scripter
It's true I was mistaken about who founded NARTH, but nonetheless both Paul Cameron and NARTH are not reliable sources of legitimate science in this field. They are more like anti-gay political activists with the facade of scientists.

You're misrepresenting Spitzer's capitulation. You make it sound as if he's denounced his earlier findings and has become a cheerleader for conversion therapy. That's not the case at all. I think I gave a pretty clear picture of where he stands in my previous post to you.

Again I ask, do you not think there might be potential problems with his data and the research methodology used? I know he and NARTH say there isn't, but ask anyone who's familiar with accepted research methods. It's glaringly obvious there's a problem. He based his 'new' conclusion on 45 minute telephone interviews with subjects supplied to him by proponents of conversion therapy. Still see no problem with objectivity?

It may be LeVay's opinion that the APA changed their classification of homosexuality because of political pressure. There are a number of people who seem to believe that. However, that's still just one man's opinion.

And I suppose you are aware that the two co-founders of Exodus have denounced it as a fraud, right?

263 posted on 02/14/2004 4:00:48 AM PST by tdadams
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To: tdadams; scripter
And I suppose you are aware that the two co-founders of Exodus have denounced it as a fraud, right?

Every bit as impressive as suggesting that some original organizers of Alcoholics Anonymous fell back into alcohol abuse.

Yes, the perversion has a power grip on some people and they attempt to turn reality on its head by denying that there's anything wrong with it or with them.

Of course, they're claim that they "were born this way" is a tactic admission that they know it is wrong or they wouldn't have to attempt to excuse it with such nonsense.

267 posted on 02/14/2004 6:35:54 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: tdadams
Sure, LeVay's opinion is his and his alone, yet LeVay is a:
  1. homosexual
  2. activist
  3. scientist
LeVay has stated he never found a gay gene. LeVay has also stated gay activism was the reason behind the APA declassifying homosexuality as a mental disorder. I'll just report the facts about LeVay and let the readers draw their own conclusions.

Your continued attempts to soften the blow of Spitzer's study is very telling. Your continued attempts to denigrate Spitzer's study is very telling as Spitzer himself has said that dismissing his survey would be to dismiss an awful lot of psychological and psychiatric research. Spitzer's own words are a harsh judgment on your very telling bias.

Your posts are identical to those of a homosexual activist and there's no place at FR for homosexual activism.

280 posted on 02/14/2004 9:43:25 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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