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To: PhilipFreneau
The other amendments apply to the states as well because there are no restrictive clause. The 1st restricts its prohibitions to the congress. Jeesh!!!

Sooner or later you'll realize that all amendments, all of the articles apply to all states because that's simply the way the Constitution was written.

The amazing thing is you would arguing the opposite in the university and school cases where Christian groups and publications were first banned but then sued for their rights under First Amendment protections. State schools have to follow the First Amendment but not the state....that just doesn't figure.

The 1st protects freedom of the press within the states. You, however, believe that judges are the sole authority on the constitution.

Not sole - but you didn't like Madison either.

[Small, non-invasive government is a cornerstone of the conservative position.]
Exactly.

If so, you should be arguing against the intrusion of government into religion rather than for it. "Maybe you're a leftist troll."

You sound more like a liberterian than a conservative

Arguing from a noninvasive, limited government point, I am often considered a libertarian conservative. I can live with that classification from those with the mental capacity to understand libertarian views.

Therefore, you must be a leftist troll.

Another ignorant ad hominem attack.

612 posted on 02/25/2004 3:02:09 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Sooner or later you'll realize that all amendments, all of the articles apply to all states because that's simply the way the Constitution was written.

I assure you that in regards to the 1st it will be much, much later. Regarding the 'way the Constitution was written', it was written to require authorization for the federal government to act, and prohibition to prevent the states and the people to act. Put another way, "the powers of the federal government are few and defined; the powers of the states respectively, or of the people, are virtually unlimited.

Arguing from a noninvasive, limited government point, I am often considered a libertarian conservative.

A "liberterian conservative"? Now I have heard everything. LOL!!

Since you obviously do not know, conservatives believe in a limited government that also encourages traditional morality. You are not a conservative. I might be convinced to believe the libertarian part, but not from what I have heard so far.

613 posted on 02/25/2004 5:55:07 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Ophiucus
The conservative view of the role of government in regards to religion might best be explained by Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 "Commentaries on the Constitution". The following are excerpts:

"The real object of the [first] amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. . . ."

"The promulgation of the great doctrines of religion, the being, and attributes, and providence of one Almighty God; the responsibility to him for all our actions, founded upon moral freedom and accountability; a future state of rewards and punishments; the cultivation of all the personal, social, and benevolent virtues;— these never can be a matter of indifference in any well ordered community. . . ."

"Now, there will probably be found few persons in this, or any other Christian country, who would deliberately contend, that it was unreasonable, or unjust to foster and encourage the Christian religion generally, as a matter of sound policy, as well as of revealed truth. In fact, every American colony, from its foundation down to the revolution, . . . did openly, by the whole course of its laws and institutions, support and sustain, in some form, the Christian religion; and almost invariably gave a peculiar sanction to some of its fundamental doctrines. And this has continued to be the case in some of the states down to the present period, without the slightest suspicion, that it was against the principles of public law, or republican liberty."

"Probably at the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship. An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation. . . "

"... the whole power over the subject matter of religion is left exclusively to the State governments to be acted upon according to their own sense of justice and the State constitutions."

614 posted on 02/25/2004 6:18:02 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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