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To: Stultis
Baloney. You clearly don't know your history. Evolution was first included in secondary school textbooks in the late 1800's. Specifically in a very popular and widely used botany text written by Asa Gray (who, btw, was not only one of America's most important botanists, and an early advocate of evolutionary theory, but also an evangelical Christian) . . . Therefore in describing this (overturning of laws prohibiting evolution) as judicial "tyranny," you suggest that you do in fact approve using the power of the state to flat-out censor theories you don't like, and that Ophiucus was on point in comparing you with the mullahs in Iran.

I believe you misunderstood my statement. I am not opposed to the teaching of evolution, and I never have been. What I was referring to was the usurpation of the power to promote the establishment of religion from the states, a power clearly allowed the states in the 10th Amendment.

The statement about the "mullahs of Iran" is ridiculous. If you want to combat censorship, there is a lot of secular censorship these days.

483 posted on 02/18/2004 8:24:32 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
...there is a lot of secular censorship these days.

Actually I tend to agree with you on this, except that there is no real censorship in this country. If you want to know what real censorship is, go to Saudi Arabia or Cuba. But censorship is not the issue here. We are discussing the teaching of science. There is currently no science-based challenge to evolution as the fundamental theory of bioliogy. There are quibbles over mechanisms, but there is no science-based challenge to common descent.

485 posted on 02/18/2004 8:33:04 AM PST by js1138
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To: PhilipFreneau
I believe you misunderstood my statement. I am not opposed to the teaching of evolution, and I never have been. What I was referring to was the usurpation of the power to promote the establishment of religion from the states, a power clearly allowed the states in the 10th Amendment.

Very well. Understood now. I was thrown by your refering to this happening in the mid-1900's. Since you were lecturing everone else here about their ignorance of, and your knowledge of, history, I would naturally assume that you knew that the bill of rights was federalized following the Civil War. I still don't know what event or events you're referring to wrt to the "mid-1900s".

490 posted on 02/18/2004 9:00:42 AM PST by Stultis
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