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To: whattajoke
The theory of evolution says nothing at all of the original creation of the heavens and earth. it is not imcompatible at all with the belief that a deity created the conditions for the theory to proliferate.

I agree. My problem with the theory, in general, is that is presupposes no divine intervention. For God to predict the future he must have 'guided' the creation to those points where the prophesy is fulfilled. I believe this was my point in my initial post on this thread. I was blasted for it.

450 posted on 02/17/2004 1:03:20 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
My problem with the theory, in general, is that is presupposes no divine intervention.

If I told you, "No it doesn't" will that satisfy you? As for original creation, the theory does not touch it. Any God may have started it all. Or Aliens. Or future human time travellers. Or VadeRetro's cat.

As for what we know of evolution and it's mechanisms, no one can say that God is not directing it. God is supernatural by definition and therefore does not and should not enter into the discussion about the natural processes of evolution. The problem is, some people who believe in a God, do too good of a job making sure said God DOES (enter into the discussion).
454 posted on 02/17/2004 1:44:51 PM PST by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: PhilipFreneau
My problem with the theory, in general, is that is presupposes no divine intervention.

The theory of evolution no more presupposes no divine intervention than any other scientific theory.

However, for many people it seems to be less of a problem that a scientific theory that doesn't deal with human origins presupposes no divine intervention than one which does.

So it's quite OK to say je n'ai pas besoin de cette hypothèse if you want to explain the stability of the solar system but not if you want to explain why all life on earth (including humans) fits in a nested hierarchy due to common descent.

460 posted on 02/17/2004 2:48:50 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: PhilipFreneau
I agree. My problem with the theory, in general, is that is presupposes no divine intervention.

Which hardly distinguishes it from any other scientific theory.

Remember the old story:

Napoleon, after he (claimed to have) read Laplace's Mécanique Céleste

"Why didn't you mention God"

Laplace: "Sire, I had no need for that hypothesis"

470 posted on 02/17/2004 7:12:17 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: PhilipFreneau
My problem with the theory, in general, is that is presupposes no divine intervention.

Do you have the same problem with Newton's Theory of Gravity?
With Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity?
With Einstein's Generaly Theory of Relativity?
With the Debye-Huckel Theory of Ionic Solutions?
With Cartan's Theory of Differential Invariants?

None of the above presuppose divine intervention.

472 posted on 02/17/2004 9:02:30 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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