To: shyviking; All
"A question, provocative, but here it comes: Isn't it "anto-arabism" then, when countries (like USA) gives money to Israel, who is going to use the money killing palestinians?!"
1) America also gives billions to Arab states, primarily, in the case of Egypt and Jordan to buy arms. Many millions each year are also given to the Palestinians in aid directly from the America herself and also via UN agencies.
2) Israel is fighting a defensive war. Palestinians, on the other hand, are fighting a war to eliminate Israel. Israel's targets are exclusively military in objective; but, naturally, civilians who get caught in crossfire get killed as in every war. Palestinian terrorists, for the most part, wage their bloodthirsty campaign with the almost exclusive objective of killing as many Jews as possible.
If you cannot see the difference, then you are morally bankrupt.
3) America is providing money to Israel so that a democratic state can defend herself. It's quite apparent that Europe gives money to Palestinians because of their not-so-secret hatred of the Jewish people.
"I must admit that suicide bombings are not a good way of waging way IMHO. The palestians should stick to military targets, or at least only go for the settlers in the occupied areas."
1) You don't think suicide bombing a good way of waging war? It's not that you give a damn about the many hundreds of innocent Jews murdered, or indeed the many thousands who have been permanently maimed, it's just that you don't think it's "a good way to wage war"?
Nothing could have better demonstrated you own vicious prejudices and hatreds than those two sentences of yours.
2) The territories are not occupied, but they are disputed. To suggest they are occupied would mean they were owned by someone in the first place which they were not.
3) The Arab uprising is utterly illegitimate for all sorts of reasons, but, primarily, because the so-called Palestinians were offered virtually everything they suggested they wanted right before their campaign started by Israel, namely: all of Gaza, 97% of the West Bank, half of Jerusalem, a return of tens of thousands of "refugees" to Israel proper, billions in aid, an elevated six-lane highway and railway between Gaza and the West Bank. What is obvious from their actions and statements is that these terrorist groups are, as I stated earlier, in reality not after just a state in Gaza and the West Bank, but instead the complete destruction of Israel.
4) The intentional killing of any civilian in a conflict is one of the most serious crimes in international law. To have openly suggested that the Palestinians carry out such activities against Israeli civilians ("occupiers" or no), you have made yourself guilty of incitement to murder, itself a most serious crime.
In conclusion, in one of your many virulently anti-Jewish and anti-Israel posts (in fact, *all* of your posts are one or the other, and usually both), you stated: "It is not the fault of the palestinians that Hitler did what he did." I think now is a very opportune time to put you straight about a few things:
Aside from the fact that Jews also suffered rampant persecution in nearly all Arab countries, and over 750,000 (a much greater number than the Arab refugees from what was then Palestine) were subjected to ethnic cleansing from Arab states, Hitler did not murder the great majority of European Jews all by himself, but did so with the almost complete co-operation not just of most Germans and Austrians, but also most of occupied Europe and the "neutrals."
Take two examples:
1) Sweden: Officially neutral but in reality extremely pro-Nazi. Sweden barred virtually all Jews fleeing the Holocaust (except a few thousand as a sop to her neighbor, Denmark) from entering her territory. She further provided much of the essential materiel at a greatly reduced rare necessary to enable Germany to fight the war and complete its genocide of the Jewish people. Sweden even went so far as to allow German troops who were on their way to invade another country to travel through her territory. During the war many Swedish volunteers fought for Germany, especially in the SS. After the war she provided refuge for countless war criminals, and has pointedly refused to prosecute even one of them.
2) Norway: Liked to see itself as an occupied country, but in reality gave popular support to Quisling, Germany's puppet leader in Norway. She actively collaborated in the murder of half of Norway's Jewish citizens and immediately afterwards stole the property not just of those who had been murdered, but also those Jews who had fled. Much of this property has still not been returned by Norway, despite, incredibly, obtaining reparations from Germany for the Jewish citizens of Norway who were murdered in the gas chamber of Auschwitz. Further, not one Norwegian individual of the tens of thousands of policemen, government officials and private citizens who collaborated in the murder of Norway's Jewish citizens was ever prosecuted. Indeed, many of them were promoted. The German head of the Nazi department, which rounded up Jews was prosecuted, but released from jail after only a couple of years and ended his days quietly and happily as a proprietor of a bar in Germany.
And, as in the rest of Europe, nothing has changed in either of these countries since that time: the vicious anti-Israel policies of the governments; the hysterical and often anti-Semitic press; the rampant anti-Semitism in both nations; the beating up of Jewish children in Norwegian and Swedish schools; the banning of anyone wearing a Star of David from Norway's parliament - yes, it's all proof that absolutely nothing has changed since those two squalid little nations collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust.
America represents goodness and light in this campaign of terror. Europe, with few exceptions, carrying out her age-old role of support for murderers of Jews, represents evil and darkness. Let us just hope and pray that America will prevail in this battle against those forces of wickedness.
To: Mendelssohn
Quote; If you cannot see the difference, then you are morally bankrupt.
An associate of mine told me all middle easterners were semitic peoples, is this true? And I was wondering if it was forbidden (taboo) to critize Israel in this forum, (after reading the reactions to the Shy one?) and Since I am relatively new, I just wanted to test the waters and learn the ropes. I was also wondering about the difference between a Neo-conservative and a traditional conservative , and which view is more prevalent here? thanks to any that can enlighten me.
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