To: RussianConservative
It is not matter of stomach, US businessmen like Armnhammer and Ford and British Rothchildes and German Kaiser made soviets, financed soviets and used evil regime to steal Russian wealth. That reason soviets exist and win Civil War.
Here we go again, telling only half truths I see. Armnhammer was a communist. What a surprise. He also helped Al Gore's daddy. This is the same man who had ownership in Occidental Petroleum, and of course the same company that the leftist Gore family has stock in. If memory serves me right, the USS Cole, the one with a hole blown in it and killed 16 U.S. sailors, was refueling in the port of Yemen where it just so happens that Occidental is. In fact it was Occidental that was handling the refueling contracts that the Navy put out. Talk about a small world, well actual talk about corruption that usually follows leftist into office(How about that, its been like that in Russia for some time even after the Cold War). Refueling in a known terrorist haven, they didnt even try to minimize the security concerns.
Lets see. Ford. Hmmmm. The same one who was an anti-Semite, not to much of a surprise that the traitor helped build a plant in Germany prior to WWII. Though he did help create jobs at a far higher wage than anyone else at the time, let the people work for something other than just being a number, and made it a condition that any immigrant would completely assimilate into American society(Learn the language and the rights that go along with that citizenship). So he wasn't completely bad, but when people do bad things that hurt the very nature of the country that they are responsible to protect it cannot be forgiven. But the utopian politicians certainly thought so. They didn't have the stomach(contrary to your belief) to punish him for his misdeeds, or the misdeeds of those at GM who opened the GM Opel plant prior to WWII. By not doing so they set a precedent that would hurt everyone down the road including themselfs. You can't have business in a world of chaos contrary to what the people of today's day and age may think. What you think the communist vermin would let them? If you do you really dont understand communism. Lenin had a name for them, useful idiots. Once they served their purpose and financed their own destruction, they would then be relegated to history or liquidation.
This brings us to the Kaiser who had aspirations to dominate all of Europe in his own type of dictatorship. Things just got to hot for him to handle and in so doing he would sell his own soul if it meant to get out of the predicament. So he had is right hand man Arthur Zimmerman(the same guy that sent a telegram to Mexico urging them to go to war with the U.S. in order to keep us out of the fight) finance Lenin and his band of thugs to conduct mass strikes in Russia to get her to pull out. When this wasnt enough they financed Lenins trip into Russia so he would overthrow it on the condition that Russia would pull out and give Germany a break. Lenin succeeded and concluded the arrangement by pulling out. Obviously the Tzars didnt have what it took to take care of Lenin and his thugs. We all now that the Tzars are known for their brutality, but this one didnt seem to have a stomach for it. They couldnt adequately infiltrate Lenins organization in Russia, because they where willing to let his Aesopean newspapers to spread. The Tsar resigned his post, the socialist government of Kerensky was set up while Lenin organized his secrete police(the Checkists) , and finally went to town on the Tsar and his family. Kerensky fled and later commented on how he completely underestimated what Lenin really was. Then he went after the country itself. By the way it should be noted that Lenin didnt have full control yet. You do remember the White Russians versus the Red Russians right? Well the West didnt have any stomach to help the White Russians win which only caused even more problems as we all know. Then Lenin turned on his supporters, what a surprise(sarcasm). They werent going to get the freedoms that he promised them, see he lied. So did Hitler.
Please sir, dont speak to me about the west stealing Russias wealth. They where to preoccupied in making sure they kept a hold of their own utopian power in their respective countries. The British Empire was basically insolvent since the people no longer had the stomach to keep what they had, and thus over time let it go. The communists eagerly took advantage of those situations. They didnt want to enforce the Treaty of Versailles, or The Locarno Treaty which was just a watered down version of Versailles since no one was going to commit troops to enforce it all the way. Then their was Italys intrusion into the Island of Corfu(Mussolini in the early 1920's). He left but the damage to the western powers was virtually a death blow and all would be dictators new it. Hence WWII and the communists through Stalin took complete advantage of. If it wasnt for the United States finally waking up, things would not have turned out as well as it did. Europes days where numbered(financial corruption, spoiled people, communist infiltration and insurrection) all because no one had the stomach, when someone did, things stabilized but NEVER returned to the previous level of stability which you ignore outright.
So please spare me your poor attempt to blame the West for all the ills and troubles created. It bares only what it has done(mainly in inaction). The Russian people and its leadership of their time where just as guilty for allowing that bastard Lenin and company for gaining power. The door swings both ways, and it always takes two to allow things to happen(the provoker and the facilitator). And of course once th provoker is created, he is to blame for what ills he creates, while those that helped in its birth are now the facilitator.
And stealing from the Russian people. Well now. Who raped and pillaged Russias wealth? The west? What a joke. The communist stole this to finance their revolution, the Westerns however where facilitators of this action as they bought and paid for the stuff the commies luted. Ironic enough is that they where financing their own destruction. Lenin did it to keep himself in power, but since he didnt have full control, it became impossible to steal enough from the people in time to save his butt. This leads us to the NEP. Stalin secretly supporting the Weimar Republics war industry, Stalin helping Hitler in the hope he would ravage Europe so Stalin could walk right in and be the hero until the people found out just how much more of a monster Stalin was by comparison, didnt work as planned but still took half of Europe. And I know you know this since we have had this discussion before. Not surprisingly, I never heard much from you other than taking a few lines from my writings to pass stealth attacks to undermine my credibility. And looky here, you have done the same thing once again. This time you are just more transparent in your attacks on the west and in particular the U.S. Care to discuss the meat of my first post in this thread or is just to daunting of a task for you where you now have to conduct little hit and run raids to keep up your facade?.
To: DarkWaters
Ford had apartment, while building plants for Stalin, across at Kremlin...he fense art treasures for Soviets who steal from peoples and churchs....thug helping thugs...by way, after he and Armnhammer finish building of plants, they abandon all US engineers they bring and those go to gulags...also Ford use slave labor in German plants: Russians, Poles.
Oh I remember concept Civil War, plenty of my relatives fight for whites...some for reds...but in end bastard communist shoot even those who fight for them...because they former Tsar officers.
Tsars no more brutal then any leaders of Europe or US.
The Russian people and its leadership of their time where just as guilty for allowing that bastard Lenin and company for gaining power.
Here is where I part company with you...maybe you too hear of Civil War: 5 million dead, most leaders exile, then purges where all who would offer resistence systemically killed...30 million or given choice: face serfdom to Soviets or total subhuman slavery of Germans.
Also maybe you remember, it was not NATO or US troop in Russian street in 1991 but Russian peoples and Russian soldiers who throw down Soviets and ilk.
Stalin not worse then Hitler...he kill 30 million in 30 years, Hitler kill 20 million in 5 years...imagine if Nazies have 30 years.
The communist stole this to finance their revolution, the Westerns however where facilitators of this action as they bought and paid for the stuff the commies luted.
Well since without West support businessmen or Kaiser, Bolshoviks never win Civil War, I say West just as guilty in crime of bringing Bolshavik to power. Western Free Traders give Stalin monies while US soldier in Arkangle fight Reds....make one wonder.
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