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Bush met military obligation [Bush Was At Alabama Base, Says Ex-Guardsman ]
The Birmingham News ^ | 02/11/04 | MARY ORNDORFF and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE

Posted on 02/11/2004 11:46:52 PM PST by Hon

Bush met military obligation, aide says

02/11/04MARY ORNDORFF and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
News staff writers

A White House spokesman said Tuesday that President Bush worked enough days as a member of the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 and 1973 to fulfill his annual training requirements, but new payroll records he released also show a five-month gap while Bush was assigned to a small reserve unit in Montgomery.

Bush did not receive military pay from May to September of 1972, according to the documents, and the former commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron said Tuesday that Bush didn't show up during those months.

"He never did come to my squad," said retired Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, who lives in Montgomery. "He was never at my unit."

Bricken reviewed documents Tuesday showing Bush's transfer request to his squadron and his response to the request. He said he remembered sending approval back for him to serve in the small unit, made up of reserve members who met weekly.

"He was looking for a place to hang his hat, but he never came by," Bricken said.

Although the president's spokesman talked Tuesday about how the newly discovered payroll records show that Bush satisfied his annual training duties, a specific request to explain the time Bush was with the 9921st was not answered.

The documents give a date-by-date rundown of Bush's pay history as a first lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, including May to November of 1972, when he was in Alabama working on a political campaign. The White House, at Bush's request, released the records to answer charges from Democrats that he skirted his military obligations.

"The president recalls serving both when he was in Texas and when he was in Alabama," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters. "And we have provided you these documents that show clearly that the president of the United States fulfilled his duties. And that is the reason that he was honorably discharged from the National Guard. The president was proud of his service."

The White House says the records are proof that Bush adequately performed his duty as a guardsman because records show he accumulated 56 points toward his retirement in both 1972-73 and 1973-74, above the minimum requirement of 50 points.

"These records reflect that he met his requirements, both in point summaries and that he was paid for the days in which he served," McClellan said.

Worked for Blount:

The records show Bush was paid in the first four months of 1972 for 30 days of military service apparently completed in Texas. But in May, he asked permission to train in Alabama because he was going to work as political director for Winton "Red" Blount's 1972 campaign for the U.S. Senate. His first transfer was approved to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron, a 22-man postal unit on Maxwell Air Force Base.

The 9921st squadron met every Tuesday night to review military materials, including things like first aid manuals. Unit members were no longer in the active military and did not earn pay for their work.

The meetings helped the reservists earn points toward their retirement. The unit had no way of helping an active guard member meet his training obligations, Bricken said.

Bush's assignment to the 9921st was withdrawn months later because his superiors pointed out it was not part of a combat-ready Guard unit and did not perform work equivalent to what Bush's training regimen as a pilot required. So in September, Bush applied to the 187th Tactical Recon Group, also in Montgomery, according to a Sept. 5, 1972, letter. The three-month transfer was approved.

Bush's pay records, as provided to the White House by the Defense Financing Accounting Service, pick back up soon after, with paychecks covering two days in October and four days in November.

The election, in which Blount lost handily to U.S. Sen. John Sparkman, was Nov. 7 that year.

Although the payroll records show Bush getting paid for service in Alabama in October and November, a commander of the 187th said Tuesday that he didn't remember the young Texas pilot. At the time, according to a Montgomery newspaper report in 1972, the 187th had about 800 members.

"I don't remember him showing up, and I think I would have remembered it because I spent my career in Texas, have a big tie to it," said retired Gen. William Turnipseed. However, Turnipseed, who is in his 70s, said it is possible that he wouldn't remember since it was more than 30 years ago.

A letter from that time said Bush was to report to Turnipseed, but the former commander said he wasn't aware of the letter until a reporter contacted him during the 2000 presidential campaign. After national news organizations bantered Turnipseed's name around in 2000, he was contacted by old unit members. None of them mentioned remembering Bush, he said.

However, Turnipseed said Bush was not under an obligation to report and could miss drills with the 187th as long as he made up enough points in the year to fulfill his obligation.

"You know, probably, rules were a little looser back then than they are now. If you go in the Guard now, you are going to end up in Iraq," Turnipseed said.

Turnipseed said he is a Bush supporter.

"I'm fed up," he said. "People want me to give them something to bash Bush."

`Very active':

Joe LeFevers, a member of the 187th in 1972, said he remembers seeing Bush in unit offices and being told that Bush was in Montgomery to work on Blount's campaign.

"I was going in the orderly room over there one day, and they said, `This is Lt. Bush,'" LeFevers said Tuesday. "They pointed him out to me ... the reason I remember it is because I associate him with Red Blount."

Red Blount's son, Winton Blount III, said Bush was the campaign's deputy manager and spent a lot of time in Birmingham and north Alabama.

"He was a very active part of that campaign," said Blount. "And as my aunt said, she hoped people would act as nice in other people's homes as he did."

News staff writers Kim Chandler, Stan Bailey and Tom Gordon contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
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To: gramho12
I actually thought I was pinging everyone to a different article with an ex-Guardsman, retired Lt. Col. John “Bill” Calhoun, stating he remembers seeing Bush each drill period, reading training manuals and safety regs in the office, eating lunch and shooting the breeze with him, on at least six of his weekends.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040213/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_records_56

“He was very aggressive about doing his duty there. He never complained about it. ... He was very dedicated to what he was doing in the Guard. He showed up on time and he left at the end of the day.”

You could get dizzy from the spin, but it's worth reading.
61 posted on 02/13/2004 1:37:26 PM PST by GretchenEE (The woman who walks with God always gets to her destination.)
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To: ohioWfan
You'll enjoy reading the article linked in post 61, if you haven't seen it already.
62 posted on 02/13/2004 1:38:28 PM PST by GretchenEE (The woman who walks with God always gets to her destination.)
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To: GretchenEE
A person only had to sign up in the NG for two years, but because Lt. Bush decided to be a pilot, the training extended his service at least a year.

If the President had been looking to shorten his military assignment, applying for pilot training was NOT the way to do it. Pilot training extended his commitment by over 50%.
63 posted on 02/13/2004 2:03:58 PM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: Hon; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; BOBTHENAILER; Dog Gone; Ragtime Cowgirl; Gritty
Outstanding work!!!
64 posted on 02/13/2004 2:06:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Hon
But reporters aren't too bright as a rule.
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You are concerned that a witness has come forward and it is not top of the news. Relax, please.

Nothing less than an apology from GWB for moving into the White House will satisfy these "journalists." Until then everytime he responds to a specific request, some of his enemies will say - see - you still have something to hide.


This accusation will never go away, for some people!
65 posted on 02/13/2004 2:38:38 PM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: grizzfan
"A person only had to sign up in the NG for two years, but because Lt. Bush decided to be a pilot, the training extended his service at least a year.

If the President had been looking to shorten his military assignment, applying for pilot training was NOT the way to do it. Pilot training extended his commitment by over 50%."

Excellent point!

I would also think it was more likely you'd get sent to VN if you were a pilot than say just a grunt.
66 posted on 02/13/2004 3:05:51 PM PST by Hon
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To: grizzfan
If the President had been looking to shorten his military assignment, applying for pilot training was NOT the way to do it. Pilot training extended his commitment by over 50%

Stories from 2000 said that this is why he got the NG spot. It wasn't preference because of his father - it was that he was one of the few who would commit to 6 years and the year or two of full time training required.

67 posted on 02/13/2004 6:41:01 PM PST by speekinout
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To: ohioWfan; GretchenEE
"They're so anxious to defeat the President that they've lost their collective minds"

I agree with you OhioWfan, they HAVE lost their minds.
68 posted on 02/14/2004 6:27:22 AM PST by Jaguar Girl (Thank you Veterans and our Troops)
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To: Jaguar Girl; GretchenEE
Why do I get the distinct impression that, regardless of how much evidence is presented, the Dems and the media will never be satisfied?

The American people will, however, and the more the left pounds this drum, the better it will be for the President.

69 posted on 02/14/2004 7:47:22 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Hon
"Bush did not receive military pay from May to September of 1972, according to the documents, and the former commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron said Tuesday that Bush didn't show up during those months."

"He never did come to my squad," said retired Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, who lives in Montgomery. "He was never at my unit."

Why would he report? According to the Washington Post, this is what happened:

May 24, 1972 Bush requested transfer to Alabama

May 26, 1972 Units commander Lt. Col. Reese Bricken accepted him saying "The continuation of this type unit is uncertain at this time and we may last 3 months, 6 months, a year or who knows! With this in mind, if you are willing to accept assignment under these circumstances, welcome! We're glad to have you."

July 31, 1972: Air Force Reserve Personnel Center overruled Bricken and returned Bush's application, calling him "ineligible for assignment to an Air Reserve Squadron."

So why would bush report to Bricken when his application was denied?

Then what happened was this:

September 5th, 1972: Bush requests permission to perform "equivalent duty" with the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery, Ala.

September 15th, 1972: Bush requests for equivalent duty approved and directed him to report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed.

The liberal media is trying to emphasize so- called "gaps in time" when the important factor is the 50 or more points you must earn inside of a year

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70 posted on 02/14/2004 11:16:01 AM PST by StopThePress
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To: ohioWfan
Q. "Why do I get the distinct impression that, regardless of how much evidence is presented, the Dems and the media will never be satisfied?"

A. Because the dems' goal is not finding the truth or exposing a scandal, if one exists; it is to keep the accusation alive.
71 posted on 02/14/2004 2:47:06 PM PST by GretchenEE (The woman who walks with God always gets to her destination.)
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To: GretchenEE
"Because the dems' goal is not finding the truth or exposing a scandal, if one exists; it is to keep the accusation alive."

And by Dem's you mean the media as well, of course.

What is hilarious about this, is that ANYTHING negative about Kerry is immediately called a Republican smear by the med--no matter if they know it came from Chris Lehane.

But the media have never once accused the Dems of being behind the "AWOL" LIBEL, even though the head of the DNC is one of the people doing the LIBELING.

The media are worse than whores. At least whores do it for money. The media does it because they hate this country, I believe.
72 posted on 02/14/2004 2:52:17 PM PST by Hon
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To: GretchenEE
Right. It's not the innocence or guilt. It's the seriousness of the charge.

RAT talking point. Keep up the AWOL accusation and something will stick.

Only I don't think it's going to work this time, any more than the 16 words did, or the Bush knew accusation did, or any of the other lies they've told have.

73 posted on 02/14/2004 2:57:58 PM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Hon

Bumping an old article for obvious reasons.


74 posted on 09/12/2004 3:08:43 PM PDT by AHerald
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
...leaving their boat crew to face the VC with a far less experienced leader.

I've seen reports here on FR that Kerry got his entire PCF-94 crew rotated out of Swift boat duty (if not Vietnam entirely) when he left.

While I haven't been able to confirm it, it's supposed to have been described in "Tour of Duty" that he 'took care of' his crew. That sounds like a pretty good trick for a junior O2 to pull off (except that he was a Ted Kennedy protege).

75 posted on 09/12/2004 3:27:53 PM PDT by Bob
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