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To: Askel5
You are right that people cannot be "incrementalized" towards the truth. People cannot be pushed, coerced, pummeled, or legislated into truth. Approaching truth (which you and I both understand to be the truth of God) is an individual journey, undertaken volunarily. I also respectfully disagree that it is a "all or nothing" journey. Have you read C.S.Lewis' "Surprised by Joy"? He describes one man's spiritual journey very well.

Just as your very poetic description of deceit being a gradual darkening, like the sunset, it is also described that the dawning of truth in a person's heart is like the rising of the sun. It does not go from pitch blackness to the brilliance of noon, it is a gradual process of enlightenment to the truth of God's existence, His love, and His Person.

But here, we're not talking about somehow getting masses of people to become saints. We're talking about a war, and there are many battles in this war. Just because the war can't be won with one giant symbolic nuke, doesn't make it worthless to fight one battle at a time.

I look at it like this: if ONE child or teenager can be saved from becoming seduced into a miserable life of homosexduality, it is a cause for celebration . If many can be saved, it is a great victory.

Homosexuality is a worse depravity that the other sexual sins we have been discussing. It is so depraved that those who habitually indulge become hardened to God's voice in their hearts, and they are prone to seeking others on which to prey. Sexual license which degrades society is a continuum; but I see no wrong - and great good - to fight this battle, and not succumb to hopelessness, or defeat, thinking that because there is other immorality rampant there is no use in fighting this one.
37 posted on 02/12/2004 11:04:33 AM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: little jeremiah
Here's another idea: since most colleges and universities have become hotbeds of homosexual promotion, anyone who is an alumni of such a university or school can inform themselves of what is going on, write letters to said college or university criticizing such homo-indoctrination and activity, send letters to alumni organizations and publications, and STOP the donations, bequests, and so on!

Universities listen when alumni quit sending checks.
39 posted on 02/12/2004 11:30:27 AM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: little jeremiah; Askel5
In a similar way, if people in general - who obviously don't have their morality as fine tuned as you do (or me, I basically agree with everything you say) can at least draw the line at same sex sodomy, there's a chance maybe their view of what is moral and what is not may become more and more enlightened. I don't think it useful to want all or nothing.

I just found this thread, That said here's my $0.02

All wars have specific battles that will determine the outcome of the war.

Same sex marriage is the battle that will win or lose the culture war as a whole. The majority of Americans are against sodomarriage and we need to keep it that way.

By fighting and defeating the homo-agenda more people come to realize that other battles of the culture war can be won as well. Christians and Conservatives alike combined had record turnout at the polls this year and "moral issues" were the #1 motivation for that.

That my FRiends is a good sign. The truth is getting out despite the efforts of the leftist groups and the left wing propaganda machine (MSM)

Fight the good fight! we can win!

306 posted on 11/10/2004 2:25:58 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The reason the "youth vote" failed for democrats: 30 years of abortion.)
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