[Askel5]

=== Clever rationalization.

I'm not rationalizing ANYTHING. I'm speaking to what IS.

Heterosexuals -- availing themselves of both the "right" to contraception as well as the "right" to manufacture children at will -- have rendered themselves essentially equal to homosexuals.

They are not obligating themselves -- by virtue of their very conjugal union -- to responsibility for ANY child that issues therefrom. Like homosexuals, they have claimed for themselves the Freedom to Choose whether or not sexual relations will be procreative, whether or not marriage is a lifetime obligation and whether or not children have the right to be born of their natural parents ... absent the immoral technologies which leave a slew of siblings suspended in liquid nitrogen and ripe for the harvesting by those profiteers who provided our President his already-been-killed embryos and who intend California to become the premiere supplier of human life conceived strictly for purposes of harvesting stem cells.

It's you who have the onus of proving to me that there is some essential distinction between the heterosexual couple and the homosexual one at this point.

To my knowledge, only the Covenant Marriage in Louisiana stands as a distinctly Christian confection of a marriage contract ... not only for its clear relation to Family but also its revoking upfront any of the "no fault" ease with which most marriages are dissolved these days once one or another of the partners fails to feel fulfilled where their "right to be happy" is concerned.

I'm not defending homosexuality in the least. I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the games has already been forfeit in advance by the very individuals -- like some on this thread -- who wish to eat their cake and have it too by enjoying all the trappings of birth control and artificial reproduction, pre-nup agreements and "no fault" divorce which rendered them essentially equal to homosexuals in the first place yet claiming that they are yet distinct from homosexuals because (God forbid!!) their birth control doesn't always work like it should.

[VxH]

>> I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the games has already been forfeit in advance by the very individuals


See C.S. Lewis' essay "The poison of subjectivism".

Scripture, not human behavior, is the standard by which morality is measured.

God has made it quite clear in His Word that marriage is between a man and a woman. He also made it clear that homosexuality is an abomination.

It's much simpler than you insist on making it...

Sola Scriptura.

[DBeers]

I'm not defending homosexuality in the least.

People may be confused because you appear to be practicing in moral relative argument by neglecting reference to absolute truth and instead comparing and contrasting heterosexual to homosexual.

Such morally relative exercise is innocuous and not authentically sound as regards to the discernment of truth; however, when judging the merit of moral relative argument one must realize to what end it is directed. If the ends are contrary to truth then the seemingly innocuous exercise is in and of itself as disordered as the disordered ends it would promulgate.

Consequently as it appears you are attempting to play devils advocate by equating homosexuality to heterosexuality -many necessarily feel you are in error and actually being a devils advocate...