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Exactly. Obviously, by their actions, they don't think they need conservative votes to get reelected. They don't need us but they want us, for the same reason they wanted John Gault.

But Rove convinced them that they could finally dump the social conservatives and religious conservatives in one fell swoop and find liberal replacement voters.

GWB learned politics from Lee Atwater and has been a political worker all his adult life...and maybe before, as he grew up in campaigns.

No one who worked w/Atwater is a pawn of any operative/strategist. At the most, Rove is W's partner and is responsible for the down-ticket elections: House, Senate, Governors.

GWB does his own strategy. I am convinced of that. He honestly laid out his platform when he campaigned and he has delivered it all, so far, even w/all the dirty tricks, the less than perfect paper majorities and the betrayal of those who perhaps projected too much on to him and didn't pay attention to his platform.

I may not agree w/everything he has done, but I don't agree w/my husband all the time, either.

I am tired of these blame games. Rove. RINOs. NeoCons. GWB is who he is. He has never pretended to be anything else. He is the most consistent politician I have ever observed.

Because of all of that, he is going to win this election. And the unappeaseables can happily go back to their fantasy of a *real conservative*. No one is going to listen to y'all because you are kooks. Only you, yourselves, the media and the Dem operatives think you represent GWBs base. You don't. You didn't. You won't. And these brilliant people in the WH are fully aware of it.

Neither is your default to fringe staus going to 1) elect an internationalist or 2) cause a backlash resulting in your true conservative Messiah being ever elected. It is not going to happen. Not in the real world. Not anywhere. Ever. Get used to it.