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Let's have a serious discussion.

I'm a registered Independent but I consider myself to be conservative idealogically. I am also a Christian and could most definately be accused of being "fringe". I also voted for Bush in 2000 because he advertised himself to conservative Christian voters.

Most of the posts on this thread from both sides is hyperbole but I do have my suspicions that there are many Republicans and(Karl Rove? is the one I hear most about) that would like to dump the conservative Christian voters into the ocean and watch them drown.

One of the key reasons I have considered for voting for Bush again is the military. I was in the Army (I got out in `95) during the Clinton years and it was Horrible. I would hate to think of what it would be like to be one of those soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan to hear the announcement that Kerry won the election.

Now here is my question. If they don't want my vote why should I give it to them? I guess what I want is someone to explain why the Bush administration is wanting to dump conservative Christian voters. Anyone care to explain?

I do have my suspicions that there are many Republicans and(Karl Rove? is the one I hear most about) that would like to dump the conservative Christian voters into the ocean and watch them drown.

You're willing to withhold your vote because of a suspicion that someone - you're not sure who - might have said he wants you to fall in the ocean and drown. Oh dear.

Most of the posts on this thread from both sides is hyperbole but I do have my suspicions that there are many Republicans and(Karl Rove? is the one I hear most about) that would like to dump the conservative Christian voters into the ocean and watch them drown.

I will predict to you that this is the most religious and socially conservative president that you will see elected in your lifetime.

I could give you a list but there's a site someone posted on this topic. They go into in more detail.

You should go look at it and decide the merits for yourself. I'd say this site pretty much exhausts any possible critical examination of the Bush administration from a conservative Christian standpoint: BushRevealed.com. It's a very conservative no-compromise Christian political site. And people around here think some of us FReepers are tough.

I would say that I don't take their every argument seriously. They have some tinfoil material. And we didn't elect him to establish a Christian theocracy. I do wish that if he's going to quote the Bible, he'd try to read the rest of the Good Book and get to the New Testament. Still, worlds better than any Dim on Christianity. He's big on the Judeo-Christian scripture, I guess. Well, the Judeo part anyway. More disturbing to me is his calling Islam "The Religion Of Peace". I wish he'd call us Christians that just once.

Oh, well, maybe he'll have time to discover the New Testament in his second term. Heh-heh. We have to be optimistic.

Bush is quite adequate as CIC aside from some minor WMD/intel quibbling that'll drag out until at least November. He seems to put a real snap into the troops. Besides, it's a little late to hand Iraq back to the Baathists at this point. I don't see how Kerry can possibly compete with Bush in the CIC role, especially given his record of votes and speeches on defense, intel, United Nations.

I'm not trying to steer you one way or the other. Given your two major criteria, you may need to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Or look at ways to elect more conservative congressmen to help him govern better.

***I guess what I want is someone to explain why the Bush administration is wanting to dump conservative Christian voters. Anyone care to explain?***

WHY would you think that is their goal? President Bush has done one thing that no other president has done, that is DEFINITELY evidence of being a very conservative Christian--SIGNED the ban against Partial Birth Abortion.

He has also promised to maintain the sanctity of marriage of ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN--also a very conservative Christian stance.

My bet is that after he is elected in 2004 (God willing) he will work to pass even more Christian Conservative laws, etc., as he won't have to worry about reelection at all then. He has proven that he is not swayed by the pressure of people or polls in making decisions. He will NOT let us down.