Conservatives Need to Get Real

The Intellectual Conservative ^ | 02 February 2004 | Scott Shore

[EdReform]

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[Henrietta]

"But you, madam, are terminally dense."

Really? I once heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results. I don't like what I got the first time I helped elect Bush (spent a lot of hours working on that campaign...), so I'm not going to be insane enough to do the same thing and expect that the result will be any different. I suggest that you are the dense one...if you don't like what Bush is doing, why vote for him?

"B-b-but," I hear you sputter, "At least he's better than Kerry!" That may be. But I think we as a nation deserve better than to be forced to choose between a guy who sells us out quickly and a guy who sells us out slowly. Those are my principles, and I'm sticking to them.


Worth repeating: "If there is a problem it is not a problem caused by conservatives. It is our President doing a pretty good immitation of a wacko leftist with his domestic spending. Stop lecturing us. Lecture him."

[Sloth]

The importance of getting 60 seats in the Senate is that it is the political equivalent of driving a stake through the heart of the Democrats. We just don't want to beat the Dems, we want to pulverize them into powder, and then sweep the powder onto the ash heap of history.

Yes -- and that is a worthy goal -- but we should not delude ourselves into thinking that the GOP is going to pursue any real progress on conservative issues even after that is accomplished.

[kaktuskid]

You call us close-minded. I call us "principled."

I call you "head-up-arse"

Do you want to ask permission from the UN to fight our enemies (Frog Kerry does)? Then don't vote for Bush

[George W. Bush]

And – I think this gets overlooked sometimes – this President and his advisors understand POLITICS. Tim Russert said last nite on the Dennis Miller Show that demographics have changed considerably since the 2000 election. More elderly, more “minorities”, more urban voters, etc. Russert said that if the 2000 vote were held with today’s demographics, GWB would lose the popular vote by over 3 MILLION votes!!!

Not as decisive as you make it sound. It has to play out through the electoral college. But in sheer numbers, yes, this sounds about right.

Then count in the 4 million formerly reliable GOP evangelical Christian voters who stayed home in 2000, a number that has been growing as more conservatives realize that the GOP uses 'bait' issues to get their votes but have no interest in delivering.

Conservatives will not be moved by goofy little articles.

Cut the spending. Slate NEA/DoE for phase out in two years. Enforce the immigration laws. Bring a constitutional amendment on marriage to the Senate and push it through in the next month.

Words are cheap. If they want conservative votes, they'd better do something conservative to earn them. Because they've worked hard to alienate us so far.

[Sloth]

Are we ashamed of America such that we need a president to apologize for us at every turn?

Are we so ashamed of conservatve principles that we must abandon them?

Do we still cherish our unique Constitutional system and American heritage? Or are we ready to toss it overboard?

CFR.

[Henrietta]

"I call you "head-up-arse" "

Ah, yes...namecalling...the last refuge of the ineloquent!

[AmericanInTokyo]

Bump.

[onyx]

But if he's gonna act like John Kerry, I'm not voting for him EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE GET JOHN KERRY.

Never would have suspected you for being narrow-sighted and childish. Pity.

[Henrietta]

"Cut the spending. Slate NEA/DoE for phase out in two years. Enforce the immigration laws. Bring a constitutional amendment on marriage to the Senate and push it through in the next month."

I would add to this: Pledge a veto on the assault weapons ban. Make recess appointments of conservative judges, and let the Dems scream all they want to.

My vote is no longer for sale to those who mouth conservative principles during the election year "dog and pony" show and then wholly abandon them for the succeeding three. GWB needs to stop alienating conservatives, or he's gonna lose this election.

[Fawnn]

If we reward Bush with unearned support,...

You're read the lists of reasons why Bush has earned your support -- here and elsewhere. You just prefer to bitch and moan make your own excuses rather than accept the benefits of the Bush administration.

True conservatives (who have the big picture and the good of our country at the core of their beliefs) realize that politics involves a certain amount of compromise and give and take. There will never be 100% agreement on all things by all of the people who make up our diverse republic.

To even hint that there is a better solution than Bush in this election is advocating a vote against your country -- and conservative values!

[Henrietta]

"Never would have suspected you for being narrow-sighted and childish. Pity."

Never would have suspected you for being lacking in principle and willing to sell your vote for the promise of Dem lite, when we all deserve so much better. Being principled takes backbone; there's nothing narrow sighted or childish about it.

[Wolfstar]

I call us "principled." Maybe you should get some!

I was about ready to move on from this thread until your cute little retort. As is always the case with you fringe reactionaries, you can't sustain an argument on the merits without quickly descending into a huff about how principled you are and how much the other guy lacks principles. How convenient. Lacking common sense and anything but silly rhetoric with which to make your case, I supposed you do need to at least pretend you have the high ground.

[George W. Bush]

It is the same with the witch-hunters, and smear artists of the media. Bush without his immigration views; Bush without Medicare drug coverage; Bush without the idiotic "No Child Left Behind" program in Education; Bush without foreign AIDS campaigns, etc., would be an infinitely stronger candidate than the Bush you defend.

Bump.

You know, we've quietly put up with quite a lot of insulting policy. They knew how we felt about it.

But Rove convinced them that they could finally dump the social conservatives and religious conservatives in one fell swoop and find liberal replacement voters.

And he's failed utterly.

Now they come crawling back, like a cheating husband rejected by his whores, begging our forgiveness, trying to blame us.

Their apologia had better be a lot more sincere than what we've seen so far. Because we now know that they want to dump us.

[Sloth]

you fringe reactionaries

Sounds an awful lot like what John F. Kerry would say about us. You're in good company, huh?

[Wolfstar]

...isn't "conservative" at all, as far as I'm concerned.

It isn't anything ideological. It's stupidity. Pure and simple. Such folks don't seem to have the brains God gave a chicken. (You may have noted that I'm in no mood to mince words today.)

[KantianBurke]

"Words are cheap. If they want conservative votes, they'd better do something conservative to earn them. Because they've worked hard to alienate us so far."

bump!

[My2Cents]

Think of it this way....We succeed in consigning the Democrat Party to the dustbin of history, a new conservative party can rise up to take on the GOP! Then the two main parties in America can be a center-right party, and a hard-right party.

[Jim Cane]

Bush proved to be every bit as much a big spending liberal as the dems.

Vote for him again? No sale!

[Wolfstar]

Tell me what those "conservative principles are." Then we might have something to discuss.