Conservatives Need to Get Real

The Intellectual Conservative ^ | 02 February 2004 | Scott Shore

[Henrietta]

Fabulous post! You hit the nail on the head!

[Wolfstar]

Wrote this on another thread last night. Worth repeating to you, although your minds are as closed as a coffin:

Choose, people!

Do we want to be forever subservient to the UN?

Or do we want to continue our sovereign right to self-determination and self-protection?

Are we ashamed of America such that we need a president to apologize for us at every turn?

Or was that spontaneous bout of flag-waving and American pride after 9/11 real?

Do we want a leftist (i.e., Marxist) president who will make us subservient to the International Criminal Court, the Kyoto treaty, and every other pseudo-world government body?

Or do we want to maintain GWB's reversal of those Clinton policies?

Do we still cherish our unique Constitutional system and American heritage?

Or are we ready to toss it overboard?

Do we want to abandon the War on Terrorism, military tribunals for America's enemies, and taking the fight to the enemy?

Or do we want to continue the course set by President George W. Bush?

There is NO MIDDLE GROUND in this election. The choice is stark and the decision very grave, indeed. This November, we shall finally see what kind of country the United States is in this Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Four (to use the ancient formulation).

[Henrietta]

"2008? We'll have to see."

I hate to break this to you, but the only way Bush can run in 2008 is if he loses in 2004...

[FairOpinion]

Great article & post!

People need to be reminded often, hopefully by November all conservatives will get it and help reelect Bush ( and defeat Kerry) by a landslide.

[George W. Bush]

Having said all that, I intend to do whatever I can to reelect President Bush.

Well, at least it's interesting to see where in the text the author decides to plant this well-worn phrase.

[Ohioan]

The President's problems are self-inflicted. Without the inconsistencies, that you slough over, the media, the Left, and we disgruntled Conservatives, would have little ammunition--and in the case of the Conservatives, no need--to attack him. As a lawyer, I will assure you that the first thing one looks for, to tear down an adversary, are inconsistencies in his argument, inconsistencies in the testimony of his witnesses. As a one time Conservative student, upholding traditional American values at one of the historically most Liberal campuses on the continent--as well as having encouraged campus Conservatives in fights over the decades since--I can assure you that the prime vehicle the Leftwing Professor uses to undermine the traditional values of students, is to find logical inconsistencies in the conduct or statements of Conservative spokesmen, both current and historic.

It is the same with the witch-hunters, and smear artists of the media. Bush without his immigration views; Bush without Medicare drug coverage; Bush without the idiotic "No Child Left Behind" program in Education; Bush without foreign AIDS campaigns, etc., would be an infinitely stronger candidate than the Bush you defend.

You see what you want to see, however, and will rationalize to where you want to go.

But enough. I do not really like to have to attack the President. I feel he has been a victim of just the sort of fallacy that you suggest in his defense. The culprit is Karl Rove, the epitome of the dysron. Perhaps Conservatives will give the President a pass, for the moment, and focus on Rove with sufficient clarity as to why and how his approach is stupid, in the hope that the President will yet turn back to reason, and we can yet come back together.

How, this Ohioan votes this fall--and I will vote, if only for the few real Conservatives who are also running on the Republican ticket--will depend on what the President does with respect to the Rove approach, over the next few months. In the meanwhile, I am going to try to restrain my outrage towards the President, ideologically, and focus on tactics. It may be a forlorn hope, but it would be good for America if more of us could get on the same page.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[My2Cents]

***Ping***

[DManA]

If there is a problem it is not a problem caused by conservatives. It is our President doing a pretty good immitation of a wacko leftist with his domestic spending. Stop lecturing us. Lecture him.

[Columbine]

I learned that if you keep voting for Dem lite, you'll continue to get Dem lite. Now that Bush has unmasked himself as Dem lite, I'll not vote for him.

So, maybe you'll be happier with Dem strong. That's what you will get if Bush is not reelected.

[Wolfstar]

Who you vote for is your business. But you, madam, are terminally dense. You don't want what you characterize as "Dem lite," so instead, you're going to help elect a bona fide hard-left 60's era radical. Perfect! Forgot who it was who said the era of common sense is dead, but he was most definitely right.

[Henrietta]

Wow, with prose like that, maybe you could convince GWB to act like the conservative that he promised he was when we elected him the first time.

The choice is his, really. He can act like a pro-illegal immigration welfare statist, or he can act like a conservative. But if he's gonna act like John Kerry, I'm not voting for him EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE GET JOHN KERRY.

Shoot, if Bush is gonna act like John Kerry, what's the difference?

Just my sentiments, I know you don't agree. You call us close-minded. I call us "principled." Maybe you should get some!

[DManA]

If there is a problem it is not a problem caused by conservatives. It is our President doing a pretty good immitation of a wacko leftist with his domestic spending. Stop lecturing us. Lecture him.

I'm sick of being told - shut up and vote. Well I won't shut up and I may not vote. Deal with it.

[SunStar]

It is interesting how the Bush supporters are no longer making the same old excuses. They used to claim that "if only the GOP controlled the Congress and the presidency" small government would be enacted. Now....they don't even have that excuse.

You're right. We should have followed your advice by electing Pat Buchanan...

[My2Cents]

The importance of getting 60 seats in the Senate is that it is the political equivalent of driving a stake through the heart of the Democrats. We just don't want to beat the Dems, we want to pulverize them into powder, and then sweep the powder onto the ash heap of history.

[My2Cents]

It's not that they're Kerry supporters...it's that they're boneheads.

[Wolfstar]

I will vote, if only for the few real Conservatives who are also running...

OK, Mr. or Ms. Ohioan lawyer, what exactly is a REAL conservative?

[Texas_Dawg]

GWB is probably the most conservative President in the history of the US, fwiw.

[Chi-townChief]

Aw, come on! "Real movement conservatives" want Kerry to win to have more to bitch about.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

But I like being imaginary, then I don't owe taxes.

But seriously, nice post!

[My2Cents]

That every single right-of-center person in this country isn't standing up and working as hard as they can for GWB's re-election is mind-boggling.

I can't even fathom what their motivation or thinking is. As I've said before, to pitch this President out of office over one or two issues, without regard to what that means to the war on terror, US security in general, our position in the world, and the likelihood of three or four Supreme Ct. nominations in the next term, isn't "conservative" at all, as far as I'm concerned.