When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[Quix]

Interesting. But you have yet to explain a single sentence post which could be taken a number of ways. You wrote and said the second one without a clue as to which meaning was first and which second.

Talk about unclear!

And if anyone cares to ask me to elaborate or explain, I'm happy to do so virtually always for earnest, serious folks not out to just harrass me. I'm happy to do it in a thread or via FREEPMAIL.

I know my thought processes are often different from those of the average person. I know I make connections and see patterns where others have hardly seen anything but fog. I know my sentences can often be convoluted and overly complex. But I really do try hard to be understandable and clear. I can only succeed as well as I can. And if someone doesn't ask a question, I can't offer an answer.

[Cvengr]

If BENI HA ELOHIM doesn't refer to angelic beings, then who would you hold it to represent?

If man, then obviously a discernment from HA ADAM, or a group which is recognized to have life in the spirit, which would then imply regenerated man was considered so evil that God regretted His creation,...I find such an interpretation to be contradictory with the remainder of Scripture and discard it as untrue.

If not man, then what other group?

[Cvengr]

Hey, you'd have gone bonkers too, if you had seen Eisenhower cowtowing to Eleanor Roosevelt <;^)

[Cvengr]

FWIW, there's still quite a few Texans who lived in the Lubbock area who witnessed a UFO event near an air base there back in the 50s and experienced car radios and electrical systems fizzling out and even a patrolman whose pistol heated up in its handgrip, but not the chamber.

The event was covered up then, but not to the locals who experienced it and their friends who were also rather devout.

It's funny, those who are the most faithful, tend to be the least 'religious' but open to clearly recognize ETs in convoluted, even deceptive scenarios,..while many who are the most 'religious' are the least faithful in God, and resort to soulish responses to the subject (let alone any experience).

[Cvengr]

Good point, thanks.

[Cvengr]

It might be more of an interpretation issue. I understand the references to Christ and to Noah to be highly dependent upon the anthropolgy of man in a tricotomous nature. (body, soul, and spirit). Christ having come in spirit from above, while those he spoke with were soulish or separated from God (the Father) in the Heaven. Noah in reference to a manifestation of his faith of God the Father, as the source for life, even though a sin nature was embedded in Noah from Adam in the fall of the Garden of Eden.

I didn't realize the meaning of Noah's grandfather's name,..interesting. Thank you for the info and nature of the response.

[Cvengr]

LOL,...but yes, there are even some of us who can interpret those writings ;^)

[Cvengr]

Good to see him back to his parents, but one has to also wonder, were his parents perhaps involved in something more occultic or was some follow-up conducted?

[Cvengr]

I believe one evidence is recorded in Christ's discussion with Peter in Matthew 16:16. Note Jesus Christ, didn't declare himself to be the Son of God, as such he would have exalted his diety rather than his humanity. Both however were combined in the same person.

After querying Peter, Who saith you, that I am? the response from Peter is that Jesus was the Son of God. To which Jesus then responds that the answer provided didn't come from flesh and blood, but from the Father. The response obviously accepts the answer is true. Granted that truth is perceived by faith, not by any work of man.

[Cvengr]

Hebrew Interlinear uses the Masoritic Text (sp?).

Question for yourself and Chris, I mainly perform word studies if I touch on Greek or Hebrew, but generally in an English translation.

More recently I've had some dreams in Greek in Hebrew, written words, but I don't understand or know the language. In one of them, the Hebrew characters were written in 3-D and were given as a prayer or as something holy. Have you found a study that references meanings of the characters in the Hebrew alphabet themselves?

The Greek was less formal, words written on a chalkboard in Greek letters, all lower case.

[Cvengr]

The few word studies I've performed in the NT, the original Koine Greek(some in aramaic) is a magnificient language used to convey explicit meanings. A lot of those meanings are lost in trnaslations, especially in word by word or verse by verse translations to retain explicit direction of action and subject or reference within phrases, while retaining the original flow of thought.

I agree that also understanding Hebrew also provides significant insight in one's continuing walk or metabolized study of Scripture. I'm looking for a good Greek and Hebrew coursework presently.

[Cvengr]

WRT killing an ET with firearms,...or physically killing them regardless,...much of the testimony given regarding ETs indicates they are spiritual beings.

So if they are an enemy, killing their bodies, might not remove them from man's domain.

If they are demons, then a study of demon possession and influence is significant. Especially if, say, the 'government' led by agnostic officers and a chosen few troops, decide to battle these creatures, they might be getting in way over their heads.

Remember the movie, Independence Day? Had a scene where the President and a General faced the ET in confinement, and a telepathic message was conveyed, horrid to the General. The scene smacked of spiritual assault, implanting an idea into the soul of the man by an angel an apparantly a fallen angel seen as a n "ET".

I recognize the movie was fiction, but lots of sci-fi is used to communicate issues not generally acceptable to the public which is indeed based upon factual reports. A lot of the movie indicated the writers had done a fair amount of homework into ET/UFO studies and testimonials in the literature.

Studies in Scripture indicate a demon might invade to possess the soul of an unbeliever and can also highly influence the soul of a believer who steps away from God.

So if one actually encountered these things, probably the last group of men one would want to deal with them, would be unbelievers or believers who had fallen away from faith in God through Christ.

Additionally, we aren't too sure about their identity and perhaps that is sufficient. They are indeed creatures, so fall under the command of God, regardless, but there's a wide range of possiblilites in that domain. Just like there are crocodiles and puddycats in the domain of creatures we see at the zoo, there may also be a significant domain to the realm of angels.

There are doctrines of embodied angels, fallen and elect, bound and unbound at different times, in heaven, in Tartarus and in th Abyss (abydos)..and doctrines of disembodied spirits as demons.

Simply their removal from a body doesn't imply their non-existence,...any more than removing a crocadile out of the water implies he is any less a threat. It might just piss 'em off a bit and create a tougher situation.

[biblewonk]

Do you believe God created the universe in 6 24hr days?

[Chris Talk]

About the boy who was in the underground cages--

I cannot of course be CERTAIN that his parents were not involved in some occult thing, but I doubt it very seriously. My study of the abductee phenomenon indicate that those taken are precisely --

Those who have been OBLIVIOUS to things spiritual, utterly secular and nonreligious, skeptical of any belief systems of any kind, scoffers at anything beyond the material. That is why they are so overwhelmed. NOT occultists, far from it.

But since about 1983 or 84, few males have been taken. He spoke constantly about this Melissa that was caged with him. They were kept naked in the cage most of the time, it seems. No light at all, total blackness. I wish I had asked him what they fed them. He was maybe five seven, one thirty. He was sure they would keep HER for life and never let her go, and yes, they were being held for breeding purposes, as a FReepmailer asks. I had the impression MANY females were in the cages, but he said he was the only guy there as far as he knew, maybe one or two others but just for a few days.

This poor boy was both slight and scrawny built, and very blond, just exactly the type the aliens are said to favor.
I would say he was about 19 years of age. His clothes were filthy and grungy, the ones he had had on when taken which he thought was 6 or 8 months before. The UFO had let him out in shallow water down by the harbor just before dawn, and when the sun came up he could not stand the light. His blond hair was down almost to his shoulders and was filthy and matted. He had found an old blanket down there where they left him, and had rolled up in that till dawn, and was still carrying that dirty old thing as though it were precious.

About 3 young girls were out there and were the first to come upon him, and then I came up. The girls were terribly shaken by his tale. I tried to say what I could about the Bible [Ps 74:20 as I said...] and that I fully believed what he was saying... he was NOT crazy. I had the impression that he had no religious training, he seemed barely aware what the Bible was. But he was quite smart, just not properly raised. From what he said I had the impression his parents might have been "poor white trailer trash," but do they HAVE that in California? Actually come to think of it, IIRC he was FROM the "Antelope Valley," but his parents were in Nevada or Arizona now, a mother and stepfather, you know how it is.

[Quix]

It is my personal preference to believe that. That has been my lifelong belief.

It wouldn't rock my theology to discover that God was speaking in some metaphorical sense in those Scriptures.

I'm not a fan of evolution AT ALL.

[stuartcr]

True enough

[Quix]

I don't have such refs. But I have a conviction that the folks at BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM--let me check the link . . .

This link:

http://biblecodedigest.com/page.php/218

These folks should be able to point you to resources. They have some real hotshots in their group and that they have connections to.

Great that you are writing the dreams down and that you CAN do so!

PLEASE LET US KNOW THE TRANSLATIONS! Christ could probably give you translations. I assume you could email a Greek and Hebrew email to him. Ask him.

Bless you in your spiritual adventure!

I just got an email that the staid, starchy, conventional community church in Taipei--Taipei International Church--had a very unexpected and unscheduled move and touch of Holy Spirit at the end of a youth presentation of the Gospel from Genesis through to the Crucifixion. Not a dry eye in the place. Sounds like the predictions of God moving in His Body in a new way this year are starting to take off. That church was cold and starchy enough at some points, they could have sold the ice.

Anyway--am very interested in what you come up with. Please ping me.

[Quix]

Right. I knew there was at least that kind of affirmation in there but had forgotten the specific.

THANKS.

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[Quix]

Yes, I'm sure CHRIST could give you the translation.

But my fingers typed Christ when I meant Chris Talk!