Report: Diet Doctor Atkins Was Obese

Yahoo/AP ^ | 2/10/2004 | AP

[ClintonBeGone]

It's probably the former as you prevent the body from being subject to those stresses for 20 or 30 years. Although it is an interesting question.

[Dark Knight]

>>Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine<<

PETA front group. They want people to eat vegetarian, and the science is immaterial. It's more like a religion, without the faith or the deity.

DK

[ClintonBeGone]

It really allows you to concentrate without that constant Homer Simpson feeling of "MMMM...Donut!":)

LOL Yup.

[PJ-Comix]

He died of a heart attack because the lack of FRESH vitamin C via orange juice clogged up his arteries.

[ClintonBeGone]

Yesterday Dr. Dean Edell said on the radio that by curent BMI standards Arnold would be considered "obese".

Is Dr Dean off his circumcision soap box?

[drdemars]

Good for you Dogbyte and your positive statements. I started Atkin's in January of last year and weighed in at 243 at 6'2". I now am at 205 with waist at 35" and going for 34" waist at 200 so that will put me at 15% fat to lean. It can be done and it is easy once your mind has been set to the task. I deplore the attacks on Atkin's and one has to think that, following the loss of income to sugar and flour food suppliers, they can only strike back by innuendo and lies.

[Britton J Wingfield]

His diet helped me get rid of (most of) that stubbon spare tire. I can actually see my abs again :)

[ClintonBeGone]

A stenosed corornary or carotid artery + a blood clot or fragment of an arterial plaque == goodbye dogbyte12 + a sad thread on the FR.

LOL you are very good at making a point. Very good advise. Just curious, say he (or someone) did have excessive arterial plaque and discovered that in a pre-exercise physical. Does that mean he'll never be able to exercise, or do they just put him on some anti-lipid med and monitor him?

[Mamzelle]

gallbladders--

High association with weight and weight loss, "Fat, Fair, Fertile, Female and Forty"--

For a while they tried to pin gallbladder disease on Atkins, but since a lot of overweight people get it, and a lot of people who've LOST weight get it, they couldn't make it stick.

[XJarhead]

But I really have a hard time accepting this diet as healthy.

I know nothing about diets. I've never been on one, and don't plan on going on one. But this one actually makes sense to me in some respects.

Early man was a hunter/gatherer. That means that a great deal of his food intake came from meat and animal products, and from relatively low carb foods such as wild vegetables and fruit. The carb explosion didn't really happen until our ancestors became farmers and started growing grains and high-carb vegetables like potatoes. And of course, there really wasn't a lot of sugar around until recently. To me -- and this is just pure layperson babbling -- this suggests that we evolved to handle a high meat, high fat, low carb diet.

One slightly less theoretical bit of support for this is some of the cultures in Africa. I've been to Tanzania and seen how the native Masai still live. They live almost entirely off animal products, like milk and meat. Not much cultivation at all. A high protein, high fat, low carb diet. And they all looked like some pretty healthy people.

Anyway, this is just unsupported opinion. But in terms of a "gut reaction" to whether this diet is crazy, I think its worthwhile considering the foods on which our ancestors survived.

[Some hope remaining.]

I'm sorry but 258 pounds for a six foot tall person is nowhere near obese. Fat, sure, but not obese.

[Mamzelle]

fruit--

Cantaloupe, berries, kiwis, tomatoes--depends how many carbs you can have. If you are just starting, you really have to watch the first few weeks.

I remember my carb-driven appetite in the beginning weeks--wow. My whole orientation toward foods is completely different.

[11th Earl of Mar]

I am not wrong about what a body-building diet consists of.

I am a competitive body builder and have done it many times [drug free] and won countless awards and titles.

At no time is a bodybuilder to go carb free. Not 12 weeks out. Not 8 weeks out. Not 4 weeks out. Not one week out.

I have had to drop to 100 grams per DAY the last week before a contest to hit my weight. And everybody thought I was nuts. I did hit my weight and win second place in a regional show, but still I could not get a pump backstage to save my life.

A standard, basic bodybuilder's diet at the end is chicken breast, broccli and red skinned potatoes seven times per day.

And FYI, eggs, even egg whites, are a no-no in the last stage of the diet because of the high sodium content.

And carbing up does not take place two days before a contest. Only the night before and the morning of a contest.

Elite Bodybuilders...eliminate ALL carbs for the last 2-3 months before a show

That is pure bs. And since the most 'elite' bodybuilders are on 'roids, this is especially untrue. They can consume many more calories than a natural bodybuilder because of the drugs.

[Mamzelle]

see post 110

[Mamzelle]

oops. meant 129

[Sabatier]

I found that here

[looscnnn]

"And why is the Federal Government subsidizing Lucky Charms and other sugar coated cereals that cost $5.00 for a 14 oz box? ....Subsidizing via the WIC programs."

WIC covers Special K, Cheerio, Corn Flakes, etc. Frosted mini wheats is the only sugar coated one covered. The reason behind the increase in obesity (especially in low income families) is due to the governments food pyramid. Breads/cereals are the largest part of it. Yes, I do think that the processed foods are not that good for you. If you look at the Amish, they have low amounts of obesity due to having diets similar to the Atkins diet.

[BibChr]

This is nowhere near the Atkins Diet of no carbs.

Ah. That would be the Atkins Diet of no carbs that doesn't exist, but those who don't know the Atkins diet keep inventing.

That one?

Dan

[looscnnn]

"I know those on Atkins will refuse to look into this, but you really should be concerned about this. Obviously his wife would not want this out, but she is also milking profits from things related to his diet."

How about the belief that medical history is personal. Does HIPAA ring a bell?