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Is Chris Matthews Unable or Unwilling to understand a simple exchange between Bush and Russert?
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Posted on 02/09/2004 3:28:15 PM PST by rocklobster11
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Somebody please help me! I recently read a thread here that had an article from a Dallas newspaper from I believe 1999. The newspaper had looked into whether or not GWB got preferential treatment with his NG assignment. According to the article he did NOT get preferential treatment.
Does anyone have the article, a link, anything? The first thing to do is start at the beginning and then systematically tear this absurd arguement down.
Wouldn't most people agree that after 2 terms of X42 that the whole military service issue would be a non starter anymore? I can't believe that we still have to rehash this stuff.
MoodyBlu
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:30:20 PM PST
by
MoodyBlu
To: gunnedah
"The bad part about this is so many Americans are so damned dumb they dont realize it."Unbelievable isn't it? COULD so many Americans be so completely stupid that they can't retain information for more than 30 days? Modern, short-term memory has an expiration date?
You're right about the NEA and dumbing down of America of course. This brings me to Clinton. Clinton could talk on TV for hours - he did that during his STOU addresses - and nobody knew what he was saying. Everyone who listened to him for any period of time went mentally numb.
So all the puff pieces his supporters in the media wrote about him during that 8-year black mark in our history were completely based on interpretation, the author's interpretation of Clinton's meaning. Oh yeah, his little word bytes, later termed talking points were always faithfully quoted, but the rest was interpretation, because they didn't get what he said any more than the rest of the public.
WE the public seem to have become used to the media's creative interpretation over those past 8 years. In fact, most of us are so used to it we accept and expect it as normal journalism. Well, it may be the norm NOW, but it's neither normal for us, nor good journalism.
The press really seems confused by President Bush's straight talking style. President Bush expects you to listen closely to what he says, because he says what he means. No interpretation is necessary.
So the media's interpreting his statements. They all think the worst of him and so put the worst interpretation on what he says. From those creative interpretations have sprung such gems as 16WordGate (the sentence he didn't say but the press said he did) and the newest addition to the Gate line of media products, ImminentThreatGate.
StockpileGate is a little more complicated because it involves creative interpretation of David Kay's words as well as the president's.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:30:42 PM PST
by
cake_crumb
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To: rocklobster11
"Now Matthews is denigrating the Guard."
Oh yeah and the Peace Corps was the Marines wasn't it NoBalls??
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:30:50 PM PST
by
Pubbie
(I hate both the NeoConservatives and the PaleoConservatives - What does that make me?)
To: Howlin
I get the impression that most of America didn't see Bush's MTP appearance. As I told my wife, I don't think how he did or what he said will make a hill of beans this time next week.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:31:05 PM PST
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
To: hole_n_one
Well!
After Cleland practically pounded the desk asking "Where's his DD 214!"
Either dumb or deliberately deceitful, and Chris too convinced he's onto a 'real' scandal at long last was too stupid to wonder, as I did, if the National Guard was different from Cleland's type of service. As you demonstrate, the answer is YES.
To: cyncooper; redlipstick
And what about Russert? Where was he?
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:32:55 PM PST
by
Pubbie
(I hate both the NeoConservatives and the PaleoConservatives - What does that make me?)
To: MoodyBlu; Hon
If anybody knows, Hon will.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:33:37 PM PST
by
EllaMinnow
(If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
To: Pubbie
"Russert was born in Buffalo, New York on May 7, 1950. He is a graduate of Canisius High School, John Carroll University and with honors from the Cleveland-Marshall College of Law."
http://www.msnbc.com/onair/bios/t_russert.asp Obviously a student deferment.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:36:56 PM PST
by
EllaMinnow
(If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
To: westerfield
"What the President's campaign authorized to be released in 2000 were his records from Texas National Guard files, not his full service records from Air Reserve Personnel Headquarters in Denver"He specifically mentioned those too. This is an urban legend, being foisted on us as fact by the socialist party in charge. Period.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:37:02 PM PST
by
cake_crumb
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To: Pubbie
Russert was born in Buffalo, New York on May 7, 1950. He is a graduate of Canisius High School, John Carroll University and with honors from the Cleveland-Marshall College of Law.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:37:11 PM PST
by
Howlin
To: MoodyBlu
Somebody please help me! I recently read a thread here that had an article from a Dallas newspaper from I believe 1999. The newspaper had looked into whether or not GWB got preferential treatment with his NG assignment. According to the article he did NOT get preferential treatment.Is it not possible that the fact that he was a YALE GRADUATE was a large mitigating factor?
This is making me ill! The smell of hypocrisy is stronger than usual.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:37:27 PM PST
by
LisaFab
To: MoodyBlu
Here's the Dallas Morning News article, which shows no proof of preferential treatment:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070876/posts
To: rocklobster11
To: rocklobster11
To: Howlin
Did Chrissy ask Cleland how he managed to blow himself up with his own hand grenade.?
This Guard bashing is PISSING me off....I say this one more time...My hubby right now is in Balad...member of the IlANG..Aviation...has been extended 4 times, has been shot at, mortared and has lost one of his Chinooks and 3 crewmembers to and RPG..he will be gone a total of 15mos with this last extension...if the Guard is not military, then I WANT MY HUSBAND HOME!
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:39:34 PM PST
by
mystery-ak
(*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
To: rocklobster11
I've seen many stories in the press about how the National Guard is not real service And guess what Chris Matthews said on his own show about that... he claimed adamantely that young men joined the National Guard to avoid service in Vietnam.
I just listened to him with Max Cleland and Tim Russert discussing "the interview"... it didn't sound like the interview I heard. Also, Max Cleland claimed Bush's dad helped him get into the Guard and at first, it seemed Matthews was going to let him get away with that claim without asking for his source. But he did as him "how do you know that?" McCleland's answer? He told Chris Matthews he should read Mollie Ivans' book. That was his answer. And Chris let it ride as though the answer was reliable. Mollie Ivans is a loud mouth obnoxious democrat that has written all kinds of hate-filled garbage about the Bush's. She is anything *but* a reliable resource. I'm so annoyed I could spit. It appears Matthews is going to pound this issue and make it a major one.
To: rocklobster11
"Obviously, nothing was uncovered in 2000 or since."This started in 1996 I believe. Remember how Saddam used carefully controlled rumor to keep the population confused adn not knowing what to believe so they'd do his bidding? The microgates the Dems have been trying to hatch against Bush forcibly remind of of that.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:41:18 PM PST
by
cake_crumb
(UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
To: sinkspur
And Chris is revealing his Democrat sympathies tonight in a very big way. It became overt with the onset of the Democratic primaries. It's shameful. Nothing objective about his show when discussing politics any more.
To: LisaFab
I can't take much more of this.
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posted on
02/09/2004 4:43:06 PM PST
by
Howlin
To: cyncooper
I tell you this has me livid Livid is not strong enough.!
Matthews thinks by being "honest" about joining the Peace Corp to avoid the draft, gives him cover, and calls Cleland a war hero. Cleland lost his limbs by mishandling his own grenade, and if he had not received grievous injuries, he would have become a pariah, within his own company. These libs just astound me, they can make a hero out of whole cloth when he is one of their own, and defend a true draft dodger through the gates of hell. The hypocrisy and the bias of these supposed journalists, is beyond the pale.
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