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To: archy
"If a few grunts have to die in unarmored vehicles in the meantime, tough. There are officers who have to think about how they might have to live on just their military retirement checks if they don't make the sale for new toys. So they will".

You are out of line. The military does as much as possible to limit the casualties to zero. Unfortunately, that is impossible. To say that the leadership does not care about their soldiers is an insult to me and every other soldier that serves. How much time do you have in uniform to make this asinine statement. If you tell me even one day, I call Bull Sh*t.
31 posted on 02/09/2004 3:37:06 PM PST by MPJackal (Simper Gumby)
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To: MPJackal
To say that the leadership does not care about their soldiers is an insult to me and every other soldier that serves++++++++++++++

I guess you are insulted then. One can not make a blanket statement from the above, there are those commanders who have made the Faustian trade. And, before you go off about time in uniform, I have plenty and plenty more time as a DA Civilian observing and in cases being cajoled to let things take their course so some gutless lowlife with an eagle or star can bolster his retirement.

38 posted on 02/09/2004 4:10:42 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: MPJackal
You are out of line. The military does as much as possible to limit the casualties to zero. Unfortunately, that is impossible. To say that the leadership does not care about their soldiers is an insult to me and every other soldier that serves. How much time do you have in uniform to make this asinine statement. If you tell me even one day, I call Bull Sh*t.

First tour 1966-1970. Got out an E-5
DA Civilian in Army Ordnance, 1978-79.
Transferred to Navy JSSAP program, 1979-80 [M9 pistol, M40A1/M86 rifle, M500/590 shotgun programs, Fleet Logistics Support Systems, among others]
consultant, US Deputy Chief of Mission, Sofia and Sarajevo,1991
Direct commission 1LT, Reserves 1992. CPT, 1994. MAJ 1998.

I would happily agree with you that most of the serving officers I've worked with and for, US Army and other services, are as dedicated to their mission and personnel as you suggest-about 80% worth. There's about 10 % that are ticket-punchers, who'll put their own personal advancement above all else, but the word gets out on them pretty fast, though some are very good at getting their tasks accomplished, at a cost to their personnel, accordingly, they advance, but are not missed once they're gone. And about 5% are just about as I described. Unfortunately, many of them are very senior officers, in positions where their decisions, often self-serving, can do considerable harm, to include fatalities to those who have to live with their decisions.

With new focus on the revolving door between the Pentagon and defense contractors, another case deserves further scrutiny: The January 2000 hiring of former Army Lt. General David K. Heebner by General Dynamics Corp., and the subsequent award 11 months later of a $4 billion contract to General Dynamics to build the Army's Stryker Interim Armored Vehicle. POGO has learned that the Pentagon's top independent tester warned the Secretary of Defense that the vehicle should not be deployed in Iraq because it is vulnerable to rocket propelled grenades.

As one of Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki's top assistants, Heebner played a significant role in drumming up procurement funding and support for Shinseki's plan to transform the Army, which included the Stryker. In October 1999, only three months before Heebner retired, Shinseki's "Army Vision" statement called for an interim armored brigade: "We are prepared to move to an all-wheel formation as soon as technology permits." General Dynamics' primary competitor and an unsuccessful bidder for the Stryker contract, United Defense, primarily manufactures tracked armored vehicles.

Heebner was present for the April 2002 rollout in Alabama of the first Stryker. At that ceremony, Heebner was among those thanked by Shinseki in a speech. A transcript of the speech, originally on the Army's website, has since been removed.

Heebner's hiring by General Dynamics was formally announced by the company on November 20, 1999, more than a month prior to Heebner's official retirement date of December 31, 1999. The Stryker contract was awarded in November of 2000. It is not clear precisely when Heebner began employment negotiations with General Dynamics or if he recused himself from any dealings on the Stryker contract while dicussing employment with the defense contractor. Federal conflict of interest laws and regulations prohibit government employees from participating "personally and substantially in a particular matter in which an organization they are negotiating with, or have an arrangement with for future employment, has a financial interest." (18 U.S.C. § 208)

The Heebner controversy was first disclosed on the website www.militarycorruption.com in a story written by Lonnie T. Shoultz, a Vietnam combat veteran and former Army paratrooper and Green Beret.

Heebner is currently Senior Vice President of Planning and Development for General Dynamics. Since going to work for General Dynamics, the retired Assistant Vice Chief of Staff for the Army has been promoted and has acquired General Dynamics stock currently valued at more than $1.2 million, according to documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Heebner was "awarded" 4,000 shares of General Dynamics stock valued at $169,000 on March 1, 2000, only two months after going to work for the company. He reported five insider and restricted shareholder transactions acquisitions between January 2002 and March 2003, bringing his total stake in General Dynamics to 13,643 shares of company stock. General Dynamics stock closed at $89.39 per share on Monday, January 5, 2004. [Note: archymath=$1,219,547.77]

Meanwhile, General Dynamics' contract with its partner, General Motors, to build 2,131 Strykers for the Army has weathered a storm of quiet controversy. In recent weeks, Strykers have been deployed to Iraq's hazardous Sunni Triangle - despite a warning by the Pentagon's chief tester that the eight-wheeled armored vehicle is vulnerable to rocket propelled grenades and improvised explosive devices, both of which are commonly being used against U.S. forces. Indeed, the Stryker has already failed to protect soldiers from one of these weapons. On December 13, a Stryker passed over an improvised explosive device planted in a road in Iraq. The device detonated, injuring a soldier who barely managed to escape as fire engulfed the engine compartment.

POGO has confirmed that the warning came from Tom Christie, the Pentagon's Director of Operational Testing and Evaluation, who sent a classified letter to the Secretary of Defense warning that the nearly $3 million a copy Stryker was not ready for deployment in Iraq. The Army, however, disagreed and went ahead with the deployment of the first of six planned Stryker brigades. The Army said the 300 armored vehicles and 3,500 soldiers and other personnel in the unit were badly needed in Iraq, according to a source.

Ideally, the Stryker brigades would be deployed by C-130 aircraft anywhere in the world within 96 hours. However, several studies have questioned whether the Stryker can be deployed via C-130 aircraft, much less within 96 hours, and critics, including the General Accounting Office (see December 2003 GAO report: Military Transformation: The Army and OSD Met Legislative Requirements for First Stryker Brigade Design Evaluation, but Issues Remain for Future Brigades. GAO-04-188, December 12 Highlights ) point to design, maintenance, and training problems. Some of those problems and the increasing cost of testing and building the Strykers caused the Pentagon last year to consider delaying a decision to fund the fifth and sixth Stryker brigades. However, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was ultimately overruled by Congress.

"Based on the circumstances surrounding General Heebner's hiring and compensation, and internal Pentagon warnings about the armored vehicle's vulnerability, further investigation of the Stryker program is required," said POGO Senior Defense Investigator Eric Miller.

POGO investigates, exposes, and seeks to remedy systemic abuses of power, mismanagement, and subservience by the federal government to powerful special interests. Founded in 1981, POGO is a politically-independent, nonprofit watchdog that strives to promote a government that is accountable to the citizenry.

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39 posted on 02/09/2004 4:12:06 PM PST by archy (I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold. We'd fire no guns-shed no tears....)
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