[fr_freak]

Your Straussian argument is good as it goes, but I just wanted to point out that one should never give up the moral argument as well...

I agree completely. In fact, it is the moral argument that I give the most weight. However, for those who believe in the Bible as the true guide for morality, there is no need, nor room, for debate on this subject, so a debate in that context is pointless. It is for the benefit of those who do not follow the Bible, but still claim to be moral, that we can present this more secular proof.

[lentulusgracchus]

It is for the benefit of those who do not follow the Bible, but still claim to be moral, that we can present this more secular proof.

Point taken. Thanks for your courteous reply.