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East Germans see ‘good’ in Stalinism
expatica ^ | 6 February 2004

Posted on 02/09/2004 11:53:16 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

BERLIN - East Germans who were in their mid-teens when the Berlin Wall came down still identify with their communist upbringings and still remember the "good things" about Stalinism, according to a startling new study.

The study of some 1,200 East Germans who are now 30 years old showed they have become disenchanted with unified Germany and have lost all optimism for the future.

The study by the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, used a pool of respondents who were first singled out in 1987. At that time they were 14-year-old school pupils in the Dresden area of communist East Germany.

The goal was to follow these youngsters for the rest of their lives. No one knew at the time, of course, that cataclysmic social changes were in store for these young people before they even became adults.

"This long-term study is unique because it has followed young East Germans through the fall of communism and the unification of Germany," said social researcher Peter Foerster, who headed the most recent study.

"Those 14-year-olds are now 30-year-olds," he noted.

The initial study in 1987 showed that 97 percent of the students were highly optimistic about the future. "A whopping 77 percent said their optimism about the future was boundless."

"Now only 2 percent say they have boundless optimism in the future," Foerster said.

While the majority, 80 percent, think the fall of communism was beneficial, most still have reservations about the turmoil that has ensued.

Though only a minority of 4 percent say want the Berlin Wall back, 81 percent still thought of themselves as citizens of East Germany.

In addition, only 20 percent are satisfied with post-unification Germany and well over 80 percent say there were "good things" about communist East Germany.

That sentiment is fuelled by the fact that 64 percent have been unemployed at some point since unification and 32 percent have been "chronically jobless" in recent years.

Only 8 percent said they have "a stable employment situation" and 22 percent believed their job to be "highly precarious".

But much of the change of sentiment, according to Foerster, has less to do with post-unification developments and rather more to do with growing up.

"Behind the figures is not so much lingering communist indoctrination but instead just positive nostalgic memories of a carefree childhood," Foerster said.

"They remember communist East Germany as a place where they played and went to kindergarten and went to school and watched cartoons on TV while their parents coped with day-to-day problems such as food and fuel shortages."

He added, "Against that backdrop, it is not surprising that a 30- year-old former East German today says there were plenty of good things about East Germany."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eastgermany; nostalgia; ostalgie

1 posted on 02/09/2004 11:53:17 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Rosa Luxemburg Foundation

No agenda here...

2 posted on 02/09/2004 11:54:10 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Socialism will corrupt a person for life.
3 posted on 02/09/2004 11:55:36 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And most of the ancient Israelites in the Sinai wanted to go back to Egypt, where "At least we had meat."

Freedom is hard.

Duh.

4 posted on 02/09/2004 11:58:02 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The only difference between then and now is that the wall is gone. Germany's still socialistic and they've got massive unemployment.
5 posted on 02/09/2004 12:00:05 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Macht mal halblang.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Point them to the East German Material at the German Propaganda Archive from Calvin College.
6 posted on 02/09/2004 12:01:30 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: onedoug
And most of the ancient Israelites in the Sinai wanted to go back to Egypt, where "At least we had meat."

Hence 40 years in the wilderness?

7 posted on 02/09/2004 12:09:04 PM PST by js1138
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yup...Comrade Josef kept the Kulaks in place and the elite in the Gulag; Der Fuhrer kept the economy up and the Jews down; and Il Duce kept the trains on time. Guess it was all worth it unless you happened to be an independent farmer or an educated Russian, a Jew in Germany, or an engineer on an Italian train </sarcasm>
8 posted on 02/09/2004 12:09:16 PM PST by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"They remember communist East Germany as a place where they played and went to kindergarten and went to school and watched cartoons on TV while their parents coped with day-to-day problems such as food and fuel shortages."

They were to young to have many run-ins with the Stasi or were on their side.
9 posted on 02/09/2004 12:42:09 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"East Germans see ‘good’ in Stalinism"

Well there's curretly a taste of 'home' in North Korea. Wonder how many Leftist Germans will get up and leave...

My guess: zero.
10 posted on 02/09/2004 1:02:58 PM PST by JCB
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To: Western Phil
I lived with some one from this area for a while who was about this age. Total commie. My favorite anecdote came from the firt time I qualified for retirement benefits. At 24, this was a sign of growing up. She could not grasp the concept of a 401K. As long as there was access to wine and cigarettes, she didn't care about much else.

11 posted on 02/09/2004 1:03:29 PM PST by PrincessB
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Prior to Hitler, Germany had a huge per centage of communists. The krauts love socialism no matter how much blood it costs, no matter the stripe.
12 posted on 02/09/2004 1:05:43 PM PST by cynicom
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To: PrincessB
I lived with some one from this area for a while who was about this age. Total commie. My favorite anecdote came from the firt time I qualified for retirement benefits. At 24, this was a sign of growing up. She could not grasp the concept of a 401K. As long as there was access to wine and cigarettes, she didn't care about much else.

Reminds me of a couple of socialists I know. They think that anyone who has anything other then a savings and checking account qualifies as rich and that "normal people" don't buy stocks or know anything about wall street and investing.

13 posted on 02/09/2004 2:51:37 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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