Twenty-one Reasons Why Bush Will Win

ElectionProjection.com ^ | 2/7/04 | Scott Elliot

[Atlas Sneezed]

They are not.

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Bush barely gets 3/4:

Bush-79%

[Atlas Sneezed]

>>I pay less tax.

I pay higher rates than when Bush I took over, and higher even than he raised them to.

>>I control more of my own property.

The EPA, TSA, and other federal agencies continut to abuse property rights.

>>I have fewer restrictions of gun ownership.

I face as many restrictions as I ever did (which has Bush repealed? His father's rifle import ban executive order?) and a President who promises to extend the Clinton rifle ban.

>>My President is dedicated to my country's defense.

And the borders are wide open.

>>America is still a sovereign nation.

Bush is sending our earnings to the UN.

>>America's economy is better than any other in the world.

Indeed.

>>America's military is superior to any other in the world.

Indeed.

>>America's healthcare system is better than any other in the world.

On the road to financial ruin due to the prescription drug benefit.

[Henrietta]

"So Hop on out and vote for Kerry, or do not vote and by default support Kerry. Either way you look at it you narrow minded "conservatives" are so caught up in how important your opinions are, the country be damned."

What you so derisively call "narrow-minded" I call having principles. Maybe you should get some. And a backbone, too, while you're at it.

The Republican party will only change when they discover that principled people like me (and there are a lot of people like me out there) will cease to vote Republican when Republicans cease to represent Republican values and go "Dem-lite."

[reformedliberal]

"... social programs like "No Child Left Behind" and a Medicare drug benefit for our most affluent demographic."

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NCLB is not a social program. It is an accountability program that demands that teachers teach, show results and be tested for competency themselves before any Federal monies are dispersed to them.

The Bush Administration has sued the NEA. In several states the teachers unions have been investigated and embezzlers have gone to jail.

This is why the Dems and the trolls writing to the single-issue boards and calling the talk shows are furious. They are being deprived of their constituencies. This is known as *punking* the conservatives.

The prescription drug benefit is available as an entitlement on a means-tested basis to a small fraction of the *affluent* demographic. I know some of these elders and they have next to nothing. For the rest, they can choose to keep Medicare as it is (since they paid into it) or they can elect to pay more out of pocket for a more privatized version that will eventually privatize Medicare. Every senior pays something per month for any form of Medicare and all but the poorest of the poor pay some co-pay.

GWB has preempted the Dems by passing this bill and they are furious. They do not even want the administration to be able to pay a measly $12M to advertise the truth about the Medicare changes. The Dems want to scare everyone into single-payer, which will bankrupt us as a nation while providing 3rd world health care. The Dems responded by getting their base to withdraw from AARP. Luckily, it was a fraction of a percentage of AARPs members. This almost-senior is now pondering finally joining AARP just because they for once acted rationally instead of being in lockstep w/the DNC. And just this morning, I unsubscribed to NewsMax's email updates when they once again beat on the drum of divisiveness among Republicans.

I hear this anger against the elderly all the time. It is part of the divide & conquer tactics promulgated by Gramscians. Even though many elderly do have the accumulated assets and earned pensions hard won over 70+ plus years of hard work and paying of high taxes for all that time, not all or even a majority have nearly as much as is claimed. If they have a house that appreciated, even if they sell it, they have to live somewhere and only realize a portion as a retirement nest egg. They are usually not earning income. They are liquidating those assets monthly in order to live.
They could not afford a health insurance policy at today's rates for their age group, even if they are in perfect health. Most take several medications/day in order to remain independent. Since most people have elderly relatives still living, I cannot see the source for this resentment. We will all be elderly someday unless we die young.

Personally, I have seen, in former times, the really indigent elderly who were only 65-70, which is the young old by todays standards. It is precisely because I lived thru those times that I have saved for my own retirement. Still, I will have to sell my property at some point if I live long enough and I am glad my country offers some safety net to those who paid for our schools all their lives, who paid into the programs of Medicare and SS and who did their part in working, building those industries that made this nation strong and paying taxes while they were younger.

It is GWB who has lowered our taxes, allowing us to save more for retirement. It is GWB who has lowered and will eliminate the dividend tax which allows us to save more for our retirement and allows seniors to have the benefit of their investment income while allowing those corporations who employ the younger citizens to concentrate on more than appreciation, which is what helped Clinton's bubble economy to bankrupt more than a few Americans.

This administration is doing more to undo 70 years of social engineering brought on since FDR than even Reagan did. The Dems are fighting for their political lives. If GWB wins reelection, the Democrats as we know them will be banished to the wilderness for a generation. I won't live to see the final result, but those of you who are younger should realize that the only way you are ever going get your pure conservative Messiah is to first marginalize the Democrats. Withholding your vote from the present administration is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You need to hang out w/a more intelligent group of hardcore conservatives. They are among the 80% or so who will vote for GWB and the Republicans.

[1stFreedom]

>>Regardless of what you think of yourself and your opinions, you (and I) are not on the same level as Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams when it comes to Economics.

This may be the case, but the dignity of the human is not an economic issue. It's a philisophical and moral issue which many economists do not have any credibility on.

>>They have both described workers as commodities.

And they are wrong. They, like you and I, are fallible beings.

>>Stop taking a philosophical view

Start taking one. People are not commodities, regardless of what economic gurus say.

>>you can be laid off at any point because it is no longer financially viable to keep you.

That is true, but that does not mean you are a commodity. That idea is disrespectful and irreverant to the human being.

>>Farm subsidizes go way beyond your description. You need to wake up. They are not subsidizing tobacco so I can have cigars (which I like). Look at the farm bill! So you are on record in favor of the Government forcing companies to not lay you off. Didn't work real well in Communist China, they have since backed off from that rule, failed in the USSR and in Socialist India. It cost the governments too much (read: your tax dollars) You should read "Applied Economics" by Thomas Sowell.

I admint I'm out of my league on farm subsidies.

However, I am well within my league on the issue of the dignity of the person. I'd glady debate Sowell or any other economist on this issue. (Not that I have a name which would carry any weight!)

People, economics is not a religion. Economists aren't exactly the most credible people to speak on the dignity of the person.

[finnman69]

To be honest, I have not seen or heard anything more than usual for NYC.

I think the Bush hatred is exaggerated by the media and I have not been privy to anything. The few times I do hear about Bush in a negative fashion it's from die hard Democrats who would vote Democrat if Satan was the nominee.

[Momaw Nadon]

2004 Projected Presidential Electoral Votes as of 2/9/2004

[reformedliberal]

Cheney is on the phone, out giving speeches and is in most respects the POTUS' consigliere. He spends just about all his time actively working to shore up support within the party and related constituencies.

His schedule is usually on his website.

He is a huge asset. Why do you think the Dems want so badly to get him out of office?

[1stFreedom]

>>I get so tired of this "outsourcing" rhetoric and how we need to protect the manufacturing or whatever industry.

So stop participating in these discussions.

>>Then you protectionists call the free traders, "free traitors" and "closet socialists".

Funny how you accuse me of doing this. I never have.

>>Question: Is the Heritage Foundation conservative enough for you?

That's not relevant to this discussion.

Organizations like the Heritage Foundation are fallible, humanistic organizations. I may agree with some of their positions, and disagree with others.

[1stFreedom]

>>Tell us how Kerry will bring back any jobs?

This is a ridiculous question. It's a number which can only be discovered in hindsight, not with forsight.

>>Exactly what actions by GWB led to these people losing their jobs?

Failing to ask for Congress to create legislation to stop the practice. It's called a lack of leadership.

>>If the answer is that Kerry has no answer and that it

I'm not saying Kerry is right or will bring them back, what I believe is that people have the perception that he'll do a better job on this issue.

>> wasn't the fault of the POTUS that the jobs went overseas,

Through the lack of ledership, he has guilt in this issue.

>> what factors will influence these people voting against Bush besides job loses? Can you explain how these are former GOP votes that have been lost?

I think for many people, a job loss and long term unemployment overrides other issues. I'm not saying that is a good position to take.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Bush 1,979 votes - 79% (79.25%)

Kerry 66 votes - 2% (2.64%)

Libertarian 84 votes - 3% (3.36%)

Const Party 160 votes - 6% (6.41%)

Other 22 votes - 0% (0.88%)

Sit it out 70 votes - 2% (2.8%)

Undecided 116 votes - 4% (4.65%)

2,497 votes total

Your statement that:
"2+3+6+2+4= 17%" relies on the false, almost deceptive rounding down that the poll engages in. An honest rounding would have added 4%, which yields the correct result.

The fact remains that 21% of Freepers picked a choice other than Bush.

[reformedliberal]

It is not in the adminstration's best interest to do their fighting right now. Sean and the others who are all over the airwaves are their surrogates.

Rove advises and plans strategy, mainly, IMO, for down ticket races. We do not need him out there as a target, like Carville and Begala. Let him remain the grey eminence. He is much more effective that way. Also, we have no real idea who he manages to get out there in front of the mics and cameras to do the fighting for the administration. GWB is a political animal. He grew up in politics and has worked in politics all his life. I personally think he does most of his own strategizing. I heard Laura respond to someone who said that Rove is the power behind the throne. She laughed and said he would think that was amusing.

Laura is not the Stepford Wife she is painted to be by the elites, either. She recently said that there was a bittersweet aspect to this being the last campaign. I think politics is a strong part of their marriage and family life and the strategizing goes on 24/7 in private. She is a strong campaigner for W.

Cheney works within the party. He is not delegated to be a front man to the nation as a whole. He is effective speaking directly to his peers and working w/the think tanks.

This President is very visible, IMO. He has a job to do and only part of it is visibly campaigning. That said, he is out there campaigning and from what I see, is out there every week at one place or another. The man is up at 5, goes to bed at 9, works out, does the briefings, the meetings, the receptions and private discussions w/allies, works the phones, does speeches, works w/Congress. He has done his own fundraising all the past 2 years. He doesn't need to take the gloves all the way off until after the convention. He has one glove off at the moment, IMO and the Russert interview and 2 appearances in key states today are part of that.

You and I all the rest of us who present the administration's positions from our personal POV on FR and in one-on-one situations IRL are also fighting for him.

I remember just biting my nails on the run up to Afghanistan, the 2002 elections and Iraq. At every juncture, we all were moaning that Bush was waiting too long, it was FUBAR, we were going to lose, etc. None of that was accurate.

Personally, I have always had a tough time w/irresolution. I joined FR as soon as I came back from an overseas trip in 2000, during the challenge to the election. I was so distraught I could not stand it and I gained great comfort and insight from reading FR.

I have come to regard this administration as geniuses for their political savvy. I have said so in various ways over the past 4 years here on this board. I have come to love and respect most of them. I grew up under Truman and Eisenhower
and came to love Reagan as the 80s progressed. He was the 1st Republican I ever voted for and that was the 2nd term. I woke up on the morning of his election to his 1st term convinced we had just experienced the counter revolution and I was right. I was just wrong about what that meant.

It is now important that none of us go wobbly. This is a great President and his team is also great, IMO.

Patience and preseverance must be our watchwords. Just as the POTUS did not 2nd guess his military commanders, we need to not be thinking in terms of micro-managing this election. We need to forcefully and honestly present our reasons for supporting them to whomever we can. We need faith and patience. The President is a good role model for this attitude, IMO.

[reformedliberal]

The fact remains that 21% of Freepers picked a choice other than Bush.

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Not *of FReepers*. Of Freepers who voted in the poll.

We can all analyze any stats any way we can think of. I am not a statistician. I have also seen the .02% that stubbornly refuse to vote for anyone who isn't their particular brand of perfect. So far, thank the Lord, they haven't hurt my candidates.

[Lael]

He is certainly not assured of re-election, but, with our continued support and hard work, all signs point to a second term for George W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States.

The only thing that GWB can be sure of is his warm reception in Crawford at 4PM on January 20, 2005.

As it stands now...GWB is a ONE TERMER!!!

[Havoc]

I'm surrounded by hardcore conservatives, they generally have an aversion to watching their jobs go overseas. If their own party betrays them, who do you think they're going to vote for?

[reformedliberal]

Well, MY perceptions are the opposite of those. I think this president is a leader, first and foremost.

I am not privy to what goes on when he meets w/the Party leadership. I do know that no one is perfect. I don't agree w/all of this administration's accomplishments, but I cannot ignore the accomplishments detailed over and over here on FR.

I have seen posts on this very thread from those who were outsourced multiple times who will not change their vote because of it. I have been self-employed for 40 years, so I cannot speak to that experience. OTOH, all our income comes from the disposable income of other people and our business have been wonderful this past year and so far this year. They were good in 2000 and in 2001, except for the 1st quarter,and then only for the service business, which was due to unexpectedly high heating costs that took away disposable income. 2002 was the worst year for my manufacturing business in 15 years and it rebounded to a banner year in 2003.

Personally, I think people hear the Dem talking points and fall for the trolls on the Net and then internalize that. I simply do not know anyone unemployed because of any domestic policy.

[reformedliberal]

I pay higher rates than when Bush I took over, and higher even than he raised them to.
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I have no idea of your income sources or your income, but this sounds odd to me. Other than that I cannot comment.

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The EPA, TSA, and other federal agencies continut to abuse property rights.

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I personally can track my own increase in property rights to the former Republican Governor (McCallum) of Wisconsin. I don't fly at the moment due to the time uncertianties caused by the increased security. I know relatives of airport screeners and from what little they are allowed to discuss, there are very good reasons for their routines.

If we can get a Republican majority in the Senate and keep a Republican President, I think the bills to control the ESA, for example, and to undue the Clintonian fascism of the EPA will be passed and signed. I vote Republican because of this.
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AFAIK, the entire assault weapon ban is still not finalized. It is up to Congress. I think W will sign what Congress passes. All we have to deal w/in my state, AFAIK, is background checks.

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And the borders are wide open.

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I am unsure of the *wide* part. There seem to me to be a lot of issues that are influenced by the states and the agencies. I do not think it is possible to militarize the borders or deport all the illegals, even if we could find them. I think the privacy issues alone make it moot. It worries me and I think it is a problem. I think the bills in Congress need a Republican majority and a Republican president in order to pass.

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Bush is sending our earnings to the UN.
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Some. And w/some caveats. I believe the money to rehab the building is a loan. I have discussed this w/people who are former FSOs and I can understand that we have to be part of the UN if we are to have any leverage. I have no love for them and would love to see them out of existence.

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>>America's healthcare system is better than any other in the world.

On the road to financial ruin due to the prescription drug benefit.

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We disagree. We are on the road to a privatized system, thanx to this administration.

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I have heard these prognostications of gloom since the 60s.
In the long run, none of them have come true. We have a very flexible system and the dynamic nature of our politics and our economy usually serve us well. We are even on the road to undoing a 70-year-long socialist agenda. A long road. Better than not being on it at all, IMO

Forgive my weak formatting skills, please.

[Iron Matron]

Ultimately, the government has every right to regulate a business

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Only too true. I found this out during klintons regime. The hubby and I had a small business for many years. Klinton gets in office and we're forced to close due to escessive taxes, insurance, rules and regulations.

The worst was having to support those who worked a week, then decided to go and get unemployment insurance rather than work. (In Texas, the employer pays for unemployment insurance, employees have a tendancy to THINK they are actually contributing to unemployment insurance) Social engineering is usually at the expense of small business owners.

It seems liberals want businesses to pay out their behinds for all the perks and benefits, but they dare not make a profit of any kind!

[Iron Matron]

Right. You just keep believing that. Remember a term: "Reagan Democrats"

LOL! Republicans have a right to dream don't they?

[Havoc]

Republicans have every right to dream. I'll tell you a story. This Republican has dreamt. I dreamed of another Reagan. I dreamed of republican majorities and smaller government. I dreamed of getting government off my back and out of my wallet a little. 4 years ago I lost all that I owned to a house fire. I worked my butt off to clean up from it, got the job of my dreams after pursuing it for years, got my first real home a year ago and with things finally looking up in my life, I'm notified that my job will be outsourced within 18 months and possibly as soon as May. This is due in large part to Nafta.

Now, My government has largely sold me out on my dream. My own party is doing nothing about it and many of you just flat don't care. My employer obviously doesn't care about anything but how much money they can make by selling me out.
I've been hospitalized twice in the last year and have been unable to save anything as a nest egg because of it. I'll be lucky not to lose everything I have. Now. Look at that and consider that every person who's job is outsourced is dealing with the same thing: Being sold out by Government, Employer and political party - all three. You tell me how I'm supposed to stand up for those who won't stand up for me and I'll pass it along to those who are grumbling around me at work and at play. This is a two way street until, apparently, you guys find someone that doesn't matter. I'm not going anywhere. I believe in Republican principles. But if you think there won't be a price to pay, you're right out of your bleatin mind!