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Iranian Alert -- February 9, 2004 -- IRAN LIVE THREAD --Americans for Regime Change in Iran
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 2.9.2004 | DoctorZin

Posted on 02/09/2004 12:01:42 AM PST by DoctorZIn

The US media almost entirely ignores news regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran. As Tony Snow of the Fox News Network has put it, “this is probably the most under-reported news story of the year.” But most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East.

There is a popular revolt against the Iranian regime brewing in Iran today. Starting June 10th of this year, Iranians have begun taking to the streets to express their desire for a regime change. Most want to replace the regime with a secular democracy. Many even want the US to over throw their government.

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

In support of this revolt, Iranians in America have been broadcasting news stories by satellite into Iran. This 21st century news link has greatly encouraged these protests. The regime has been attempting to jam the signals, and locate the satellite dishes. Still the people violate the law and listen to these broadcasts. Iranians also use the Internet and the regime attempts to block their access to news against the regime. In spite of this, many Iranians inside of Iran read these posts daily to keep informed of the events in their own country.

This daily thread contains nearly all of the English news reports on Iran. It is thorough. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary. The news stories and commentary will from time to time include material from the regime itself. But if you read the post you will discover for yourself, the real story of what is occurring in Iran and its effects on the war on terror.

I am not of Iranian heritage. I am an American committed to supporting the efforts of those in Iran seeking to replace their government with a secular democracy. I am in contact with leaders of the Iranian community here in the United States and in Iran itself.

If you read the daily posts you will gain a better understanding of the US war on terrorism, the Middle East and why we need to support a change of regime in Iran. Feel free to ask your questions and post news stories you discover in the weeks to come.

If all goes well Iran will be free soon and I am convinced become a major ally in the war on terrorism. The regime will fall. Iran will be free. It is just a matter of time.

DoctorZin


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iaea; iran; iranianalert; iranquake; protests; southasia; studentmovement; studentprotest
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Prince Charles Meets Iran Quake Survivors
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer

Prince Charles met with earthquake survivors in the flattened city of Bam after talks with President Mohammed Khatami earlier Monday in the first visit to Iran by a member of the British royal family in 33 years.

The prince surveyed reconstruction work and spoke to survivors of the quake that struck Bam on Dec. 26, killing more than 41,000 people and injuring 15,000 others.

In Tehran, the prince met Khatami in his office and inquired about his recent back pain, which had confined him to his home for several days.

``It's due to old age,'' the 61-year-old president said with a smile, standing straight and with no visible signs of pain.

Khatami has been under pressure over Feb. 20 legislative elections that he says will be unfair because more than 2,000 pro-reform candidates have been banned from running by a hard-line council.

There was no immediate comment from Khatami's office about his hour-long private discussions with Prince Charles.

In Bam, Charles discussed efforts to restore irrigation canals after thousands of wells were damaged by the quake.

The prince later visited the site of the world's largest mud-brick fortress known as Arg-e-Bam, or Citadel of Bam. The quake destroyed the 2,500-year old citadel.

Charles' trip prompted speculation of political motives, perhaps to further improve relations strained after the 1979 Islamic revolution. But the British Embassy said the trip had no political implications.

Charles and Sir Nicholas Young, head of the British Red Cross, would assess how to help the survivors and try to resume agricultural life, said Andrew Dunn, first secretary at the British Embassy in Tehran.

The last time a member of the British royal family visited Iran was in 1971, when Prince Philip, duke of Edinburgh, and Princess Anne attended celebrations marking 2,500 years of monarchy in Iran. They were hosted by pro-Western Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, who was toppled by the 1979 Islamic revolution, led by anti-American clerics.

Now, three decades later, Charles is visiting a completely different Iran, ruled by hard-line clerics who routinely have denounced British support of the former shah.

People on the streets of Tehran were surprised by the visit.

``I won't believe a British royal figure is in Iran unless I see it by my own eyes,'' said Hadi Taqipour, a store clerk.

After the revolution, bilateral ties were strained by a 1989 fatwa, or religious edict, issued by revolution founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, against British author Salman Rushdie. The fatwa ordered Muslims to kill the novelist because he had allegedly insulted Islam in his best-selling novel, ``The Satanic Verses.''

In 1998, the Iranian government declared it would not support the fatwa, but said it could not rescind the edict as, under Islamic law, that could be done only by the person who issued it. Khomeini died in June 1989. The government declaration, however, paved the way for upgrading ties to ambassadorial level a few months later.

The prince arrived in Tehran late Sunday after visiting British troops in the southern Iraqi city of Basra. There, dressed in desert camouflage and boots, he sipped tea with soldiers and praised their role.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V7096.AP-Iran-Prince-Cha.html
21 posted on 02/09/2004 5:44:05 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
And you didn't answer mine. Nonetheless I do drop by this thread from time to time. I'm just not as optimistic as most of its participants. When the students and their parents are ready to lock and load, then change will come -- but no sooner. If all they want is their MTV, the mullahs will at least give them that.
22 posted on 02/09/2004 5:45:46 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
If all they want is their MTV, the mullahs will at least give them that.

I don't get your sense of humor. The political prisoners, the students who are arrested, the women who are silenced appear to have a broader vision of freedom than you do. Freedom means much more than the ability to chose television programming.

23 posted on 02/09/2004 5:56:05 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Thanks to you also.
25 posted on 02/09/2004 6:00:27 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt
You're more than welcome. Thanks for joining the discussion.
26 posted on 02/09/2004 6:00:59 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Maybe this will stimulate your mind, or someone else's.

What Say the Reeds at Runnymede?
A poem commemorating the signing of Magna Carta
Runnymede, Surrey, June 15, 1215

Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
What say the reeds at Runnymede?
The lissom reeds that give and take,
That bend so far, but never break,
They keep the sleepy Thames awake
With tales of John at Runnymede.
At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
Oh, hear the reeds at Runnymede:
'You musn't sell, delay, deny,
A freeman's right or liberty.
It wakes the stubborn Englishry,
We saw 'em roused at Runnymede!

When through our ranks the Barons came,
With little thought of praise or blame,
But resolute to play the game,
They lumbered up to Runnymede;
And there they launched in solid line
The first attack on Right Divine,
The curt uncompromising "Sign!'
They settled John at Runnymede.

At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
Your rights were won at Runnymede!
No freeman shall be fined or bound,
Or dispossessed of freehold ground,
Except by lawful judgment found
And passed upon him by his peers.
Forget not, after all these years,
The Charter signed at Runnymede.'

And still when mob or Monarch lays
Too rude a hand on English ways,
The whisper wakes, the shudder plays,
Across the reeds at Runnymede.
And Thames, that knows the moods of kings,
And crowds and priests and suchlike things,
Rolls deep and dreadful as he brings
Their warning down from Runnymede!
27 posted on 02/09/2004 6:03:02 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
Your rights were won at Runnymede!

I prefer to think of rights as divinely given by the creator. Man is just the steward of free will. But, thanks for the poem.

28 posted on 02/09/2004 6:07:08 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
God helps those who help themselves.
29 posted on 02/09/2004 6:08:42 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
And He embraces those who fall in defeat. He does not ignore those who suffer.
30 posted on 02/09/2004 6:13:39 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Nice plattitudes. Now pass the ammunition. You're no expert on the rights of man and how to defend them, I can see that. Only a complete simpleton would have retorted that Kipling's poem suggested anything but the divinity of men's rights -- to say the least.

Go back and study the roots of the American revolution before you try to give these poor Iranians any more advice. They need something more than civil disobedience to win their freedom.
31 posted on 02/09/2004 6:20:28 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
They need something more than civil disobedience to win their freedom.

I agree. So I can count on you to join the letter writing campaign, urging the media to cover the story accurately, urging the WH to explain the political structure of Iran in the correct light, urging the UN and the EU to stop working with the regime, offering financial assistance to the SMCCDI, offering aid to the citizens of Bam, as well as contributing to thoughtful discussions?

Thank you for joining the cause, risk! Every voice added counts. And the people of Iran will be forever grateful.

32 posted on 02/09/2004 6:26:33 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Some of that, just a little, but yes. However, this is up to the Iranians themselves. It's their choice -- stand up and seize their freedom, or let the beards hold them down. No amount of outside influence can give them lasting freedom. If it's not purchased drop by drop with the blood of tyrants and patriots, it'll just be taken back by the next cleric who happens along with visions of the Caliphate.
33 posted on 02/09/2004 6:36:20 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
However, this is up to the Iranians themselves.

They acknowledge that completely, and haven't called for American troops to intervene. They are a proud people who are struggling to come together. In time, change will come. Patience.

34 posted on 02/09/2004 6:48:09 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Patience? With tyranny?
35 posted on 02/09/2004 6:53:33 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
Patience until the people are ready, they don't have to check their calendars with ours. When the time is right, they will act. For us to think otherwise is presumptuous.
36 posted on 02/09/2004 6:56:13 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
So you think it's fine for Iran to emerge as a nuclear power before this little change of beards happens?
37 posted on 02/09/2004 6:58:04 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
Like I said above, we need to get the WH to frame the arguments correctly.
38 posted on 02/09/2004 6:59:38 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: F14 Pilot
Freedom in Iran, now ~ Bump!
39 posted on 02/09/2004 7:10:44 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
The Whitehouse is busy fending off one John Kerry. If there is a regime change in the future, it might be here. If you want to be free, then you've got to pay the price yourselves. Think 1775. Think Lexington and Concord. This is all I have to say for today.
40 posted on 02/09/2004 7:11:03 AM PST by risk
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