The Return Of The Giant Sucking Sound

SFGATE.com (The SF Chronicle) ^ | 02/09/04 | Adam Sparks

[jpsb]

Well the French revolution certainly got the attention of Europe's ruling class and yea, some changes were made to keep the peasants happy. But my point is that no society ever pre America, in 5000 years of civilized government has ever had a large middle class. Or more exactly a middle class largely made up of the working man, joe-six-pack. That is uniquely American and a result of government policies designed to bring about that result. Since 19xx we had slowly been reverting to the much older model of master and peasant by making labor a commodity. We reward capital but not labor, if we continue do to so, we will lose the working man middle class and the America experiment will have failed. Then it's back to the bread and circus socialist state.

[neutrino]

Thanks for the ping! Great article...I cannot help but wonder what we, both as individuals and as a nation, will do when we produce NONE of the things we consume.

We don't clothe ourselves, we don't feed ourselves...we don't make our own electronics. At some point, those who supply these things might decide to tighten the noose; and what will we do then? We won't even know how to begin. We certainly won't have the industrial infrastructure, nor the knowledge base to use it if we had it.

Economics is a critical element of national security - and the loss of strategic industries and skills as as potentially disasterous as a gap in missiles, tanks, or bombers. Perhaps it is even more dangerous than such a lack.

[Happy2BMe]

"It started with Bubba, Algore and NAFTA and has accelerated greatly under President Bush and his super job killing / wage depressing illegal alien amnesty proposal."

"It" first raised "it's" ugly head with NAFTA - championed by none other than George Herbert Walker Bush.

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George Bush and the End of Globalization?

However, former U.S. President George H. W. Bush was not satisfied with this distinction and he had a vision.

To create a free trade area between Canada, Mexico and the United States.

His vision was realized by his successor, Bill Clinton, who, early on, spent much of his political capital aggressively lobbying for the ratification of NAFTA.

President Clinton did this despite a deeply divided Congress, union pressures and the disapproval of many of his fellow Democrats.

Free trade

This was President Clinton’s first act of political emancipation as a New Democrat. But it had been George Herbert Walker Bush, who ushered in a decade of global commercial integration.

His support for NAFTA was rooted in Ricardo’s trade theory — that is, the belief that free trade is not a zero-sum game, but rather a win-win proposition.

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

If they were so incompetent then why was it necessary for them to train their Indian replacements?

[jpsb]

yea, folks that knew a little html getting 90k! Give me a break. I remember telling the people I work with, when they bragged about thier investments, better sell, cause it ain't gonna last. They didn't and it didn't. Today if you are going to be a profeesional programmer you'd better have your ducks and skills in a row. A rather large row with a damn good library of recent books and coding examples to go to when your boss gives you your next assignment. In the last three months I have had to learn all about LDAP and SOAP, solve persistance problems and threading problems and performance problems, etc, etc, etc and then doesn't even count designing and coding core business logic. Progamming ain't for html coders any more, not that it ever really was, cause it never really was.

SOAP is pretty cool. LDAP is for geeks, I'll take a relational database any day.

[Lazamataz]

SOAP is pretty cool. LDAP is for geeks

It's all XML in the end.

[Lazamataz]

If they were so incompetent then why was it necessary for them to train their Indian replacements?

Because Indians really suck....?

Except Cool_Guy, of course. :o)

[jpsb]

Well in the end it all once vast expance of cold nearly empty space. XML kinda pisses me off, cause all us real programmmer were doing XML before XML was cool. We just didn't call it XML and we didn't have a standard's body publishing our work. But it is good we finally got a data exchenage language that everyone kinda agrees to use.

[jpsb]

please don't let the grammer cops see that post!

[maui_hawaii]

"It" first raised "it's" ugly head with NAFTA - championed by none other than George Herbert Walker Bush.

If you are talking about NAFTA, it was first proposed in 1979 by Ronald Reagan.

Every President since embraced it, and evolved what they mean by it and how that applies to the rest of the world.

In recent years we have been getting away from the original plan.

[HankReardon]

Was a time when unions were not allowed in public schools, 1960. yeah, union workers make more, they get paid off not to rock the boat while their dues are being used to promote the latest socialist candidate. I'm afraid the chickens will come home to roost some day, there's consequences for everything. have you ever read a union newsletter, is there a better example of pure leftist propaganda?

[Walkin Man]

My bad, thanks.

I just remember Clinton and algore pushing this disaster through Congress with the help of many Republicans.

[jpsb]

years ago, I wrote in defense NAFTA. Not that I like NAFTA but NAFTA just had to happen. Here is why, the EU had an untapped pool of cheap labor in the former Soviet states. The pacific rim (japan) had a pool of cheap labor in Asia. If North American manurfactoring was going to compete then North America would have to tap into it's cheap labor pool in Mexico. Never in my wildests dreams think that North American manurfactoring would go to the Chicoms! Or that tech jobs would go to India. I still can't believe it.

[Lazamataz]

Well in the end it all once vast expance of cold nearly empty space. XML kinda pisses me off, cause all us real programmmer were doing XML before XML was cool. We just didn't call it XML and we didn't have a standard's body publishing our work. But it is good we finally got a data exchenage language that everyone kinda agrees to use.

In XSLT, nobody can hear you scream.

[Lazamataz]

Or that tech jobs would go to India. I still can't believe it.

Don't believe it still. I have heard of ZERO count 'em ZERO successes in offshoring, with the sole exception of banks, and only then because they export the entire business structure abroad and also because banking is one of those very standardized applications.

[Regulator]

This insanity has to stop no matter whose feelings are hurt

Oh, it will. When Prop. 57 here in California goes down to defeat, and Schwarzenegger has to either a) beg Bush for a giant bailout or b) Just Declare Bankruptcy, the game is up.

California has been bankrupted by absorbing Mexico's poor. When we tried to stop it by a legitimate vote...you know what happened. Now the piper will have to be paid. Wait until Ah-nuld has to lay off hundreds of thousands of state workers just to prop up the court mandated welfare state for the aliens.

That will be the end of the insanity.

[Happy2BMe]

"Never in my wildests dreams think that North American manurfactoring would go to the Chicoms! Or that tech jobs would go to India. I still can't believe it."

Buying a Dell? Shopping for a better rate on that credit card? Desperate for "tech support" on that new PC you just bouth over at Burp Buy or that new Tax Package you got at Office Fax?

The New Face of The Silicon Age

[Happy2BMe]

"I have heard of ZERO count 'em ZERO successes in offshoring, with the sole exception of banks, and only then because they export the entire business structure abroad and also because banking is one of those very standardized applications."

Click Me

[XBob]

16-bttt "American's have been sounding the alarm bell but NO ONE IS LISTENING. This very well could cost President Bush the election. I've had enough of these CFR, Globalist traitors. America is in a race to the bottom, and they could care less! By the time they realize what they have done to America, it will be too late. We are at the mercy of the traitors in our own government."

[jpsb]

XSLT is for wimpy user interface programmers. I ain't no wimpy user interface programer! That was fun. I don't do jsp's for the same reason, but then I still think strong typing is for weak minds.